Hello grammar mavins, It's good to read you all again. I see my little question about holistic scoring is generating an interesting discussion. For example, Bill McLeary just wrote: >...it does not seem reasonable to blame holistic scoring for any decline in students' ability to use mechanics. If any decline occurs (which I doubt), the blame must lie elsewhere.> I heartily agree, though I still have some concerns about holistic scoring. I did not mean to imply that I thought that holistic grades were at fault for the decline in students' ability to use grammar and mechanics - that decline began before the advent of holistic scoring, I believe. I suppose, however, that somebody, somewhere might be placing blame. Perhaps the best thing would be to deal with issues of grammar, spelling, and mechanics outside the "scoring" of the writing. Does anyone out there give two separate sets of grades for a single piece of writing (a content grade and a grammar, et al grade) and leave them separate? How would you use this kind of grading system in your classes? Does anyone see a benefit or a problem with this idea? I'm curious about what you think. Thanks, Paul E. Doniger - University of Bridgeport; ELI [log in to unmask]