This may be straying from the original point, but another famous Western Pennsylvania idiom, the use of _ignornant_ to mean "ill-mannered," also extends beyond Pittsburgh to the west. It shows up in _Huck Finn_. And since I have now legitimatized digressions, let me note that on another listserv there is a hot discussion going on concerning the differences between punctuation in England and the U.S. For example, above I put the comma inside "ill-mannered," but in England it would go outside, where all our students want to put it. Some on this other list have argued that we ought to switch to the British system and be done with this needless correcting of what apparently is natural. It has also been noted that the British see the comma splice as normal and correct. Since professional writers use the comma splice in this country whenever it feels right to them, perhaps we should quite worrying about this punctuation non-issue, too. --Bill Murdick