------------------- My responses never seem to make it out of my computer, but I will try on this one again. Hurray for Martha on the subject of teaching grammar. Erik, we are not about just stringing together a sentence that is compreshensible. I have had graduate students in English intern with me in a rhetorical approach to grammar course who have commented on how much they learned about writing and how much their writing had improved. They are now back at the University of Washington telling their classmates that they need to learn grammar!