In all of these sentences, the dependent clause is modifying the entire
sentence, not a single word.  I have called them relative clauses that
modify the  entire independent clause, but I suppose that one could call
them something else.

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> From:         Michael Kischner[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Reply To:     Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> Sent:         Saturday, August 28, 1999 5:58 PM
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> Subject:      Re: Difference between "as" and "which"
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> To reply to my own message -- does the fact that most of the "as" clauses
> in the original example can be moved to a position before the main clause
> signify that they are something other than relative clauses -- more
> adverbial in nature?  Not that this would have any necessary effect on
> whether they sound natural or unnatural with a "not."
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Michael Kischner wrote:
>
> > I think you're on to something Rebecca.  Good sleuthing!  I note, too,
> > that the "as" clauses can all be placed before the main clause -- except
> > for1b, which sounds even more unnatural in that position than it does
> > following the main clause.
> >
> > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, rebecca s. wheeler wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Regarding the example 1b which sounds bad...,
> > > >
> > > > > 1-a. You carried the luggage yourself, which was not necessary.
> > > > > 1-b. You carried the luggage yourself, as was not necessary.
> > > > > 2-a. He is a foreigner, which is evident from his accent.
> > > > > 2-b. He is a foreigner, as is evident from his accent.
> > > > > 3-a. Her feet were bare, which was the custom in those days.
> > > > > 3-b. Her feet were bare, as was the custom in those days.
> > > > > 4-a. She has married again, which was natural.
> > > > > 4-b. She has married again, as was natural.
> > > > > 5-a. Tom was not at home, which is often the case with him.
> > > > > 5-b. Tom was not at home, as is often the case with him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I note a difference between example 1, and the others which may be
> relevant.
> > >
> > > Note that the first which/as clauses have "not" inside them. None of
> > > the others do. Indeed, if we take out the "not", 1b becomes just fine:
> > >
> > > 1b: You carried the luggage yourself, as was necessary.
> > >
> > > I THINK that's fine.
> > >
> > > So, something is going on with the "not" element. Question is what.
> > >
> > > Notice,
> > >
> > > 2a. He is a foreigner, which is not evident from his accent.
> > > 2b. He is a foreigner, as is not evident from his accent.
> > >
> > > While 2a may sound a nudge odd, 2b is flat out bad, I think. What I
> > > SUSPECT is happening is that "as" functions to join clauses which are
> > > alike in meaning in some significant way. That is, like "and", "as"
> > > signals commonality or affirmation. But when you bring in a "not", it
> > > seems that there is a clash with "as".
> > >
> > > Notice,
> > > 2c. He is happy, as we can all see.
> > > 2d. He is happy, as we can not all see.
> > >
> > > The contrast of final clause with first clause becomes fine if we put
> > > an explicit contrast word in.
> > >
> > > 2e. He is a foreigner, although it's not evident from his accent.
> > >
> > > There's surely more to the story, as seen in 2f. Here, there is no
> > > explicit connecting word (e.g. which, although, as), and the "not" is
> > > perfectly good.
> > >
> > > 2f. He is a foreigner, a fact not evident from his accent.
> > >
> > > So, I think that the problem has arisen in the original sentence 1b
> > > because "as" signals a "continuation" in some sense of the meaning of
> > > the first clause, but then the "not" signals a clash.
> > >
> > > so, whatch'all think?
> > >
> > > cheers!
> > >
> > > rebecca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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