Dave --
   Actually, long before Ron got into questions of J's biography, he published a piece demonstrating pretty clearly that Jellinek fudged the data in deriving the Jellinek formula.  ROIZEN-R; MILKES-J.  THE STRANGE CASE OF THE JELLINEK FORMULA'S SEX RATIO. J. STUD. ALC., 41: 682-692, 1980.
      Robin

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From: Alcohol and Drugs History Society on behalf of Dave Trippel
Sent: Mon 27/03/2006 12:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Jellinek's troubled c.v.


I wonder how often this sort of censorship takes place in a way that may influence the evolution of an academic field - beyond the obvious example of alcohol researchers' twelve step membership likely "remain[ing] inside the protected province of alcohol researchers". 
 
I also wonder if there's been an unbiased study of any biasing influence of AA members upon alcohol studies/research, if such a thing is possible.
 
In the case of Jellinek, the time lapse between the infraction (or even his death) and its discovery/outing (declassification) has been long enough to overcome any and all criticism of whistle blowing. I guess the question is, if he lied about that, could he have fudged some data.
 
Dave

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Ron Roizen <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
	To: [log in to unmask] 
	Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:00 AM
	Subject: Jellinek's troubled c.v.


	... should have remained inside the protected province of alcohol researchers, as a kind of "insider knowledge" that is not allowed to sully a revered scientist in a field still struggling for scientific legitimacy.  

	...

	Thanks.

	Ron Roizen

	 

	
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	From: Academic and Scholarly Discussion of Addiction Related Topics. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of No Name Available
	Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:23 AM
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	Subject: Re: Does any one know anything about this - AA works for a few people

	 

	I wonder how many people who've heard of Jellinek found out that he was a fraud? He claimed to possess a PhD but in fact had attended college for less than a year. 

	 

	At the time he claimed to have been awarded his degree, all German and Austrian universities had excluded Jews (he was Jewish), and he wouldn't have been permitted in their buildings, let alone awarded a degree. 

	He later claimed that all records of his academic work had been destroyed in the war, and was able to advance his fraudelent career as a 'researcher'.

	 

	His Jellinek Curve has nothing to do with the progression of alcoholism for most people, and his 5 types of alcoholics could have been described by any observant bartender or minister. 

	 

	Just like most of AA's tenets, Jellinek's work has no validity whatsoever.

	 

	In a message dated 3/23/06 5:44:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:

		I wonder how many of the folks who spout about alcoholism/alcohol dependence being a disease have ever read Jellinek's "Disease Concept of Alcoholism"?

		 

		Fred

	 

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