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David Fahey <[log in to unmask]>
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Alcohol and Temperance History Group <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:11:17 -0500
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There are plenty of such RC patron saints, for instance, St. Monica.

At 05:28 PM 1/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Patron saints I can't speak to, (it seems to me there must have been one)
>but Talbot is a 20th century figure.  Antebellum, the big figure would
>still have been Father Mathew (no saint, but campaigns to have him made
>one were underway at the time.)  His campaign in Ireland (and he visited
>America for several years in the late 1840's and early 50's)was remarkably
>devoid of "traditional" devotions and prayers and the rest of it--it was
>consciously secular/ecumenical, in theory if not in practice.  Since there
>wasn't much of a tradition of Catholic temperance before he came along, I
>wonder about the prevalence of the things you ask about...
>
>His temperance medals served as religious emblems/tokens for some of his
>Catholic followers, I know (plenty of Protestants condemned them as
>"superstitious tokens" at the time)
>
>Since you are in Maryland you might look into the variation of Mathew's
>society that was gotten up by Bishop Kenrick, who was a big booster of
>temperance.  Mathew didn't like him because he seemed to want to tie the
>temperance cause more closely to Catholic ritual and tradition, so perhaps
>his society had a patron saint.  A place to check would be the Catholic
>directory for the Diocese of Baltimore from the late 1840's--there may be
>a page or two dedicated to the society he established.
>
>Paul Townend
>
>Assistant Professor of British and Irish History
>University of North Carolina at Wilmington
>(910) 962-7542
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alcohol and Temperance History Group
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dick B
>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:14 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: patron saint "of sobriety" or "for inebriates" ?
>
>
>Roman Catholicism and "Saints" are not my bag. But I assume you have
>thought of Matt Talbott - whenever he was holding forth. Dick B.
>
>Jon Miller wrote:
>
> > from H-Shear ...
> >
> >> Subject: Antebellum Patron Saints and Devotions
> >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:11:38 -0500
> >> From: "Patricia Anderson" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>
> >> Good Morning H-Shear,
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if there was a patron saint "of sobriety" or "for
> >> inebriates" in the antebellum years? Or perhaps specific devotions?
> >> Fielding Lucas's Catholic almanacs list the feast days but not each
> >> saint's particular "cause." Many thanks.
> >>
> >> Pat Anderson
> >>
> >> Patricia Dockman Anderson
> >> Managing Editor
> >> Maryland Historical Magazine &
> >> The Press at the Maryland Historical Society
> >> 410-685-3750 x317
> >
> >

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