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I'm sorry to receive your letters . It must a mistake making between us, if

I had a pop e-mail address. Sorry for my poor english expression.





----- Original Message ----- 

From: Johanna Rubba <[log in to unmask]>

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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:12 AM

Subject: horror stories ...





> I'm sure it's true that many students misremember what they were taught,

> but I'm also sure it's true that there are a lot of writing teachers out

> there that give bad advice, or at least exaggerations of good advice. A

> comp teacher at my school whom I respect very much recently showed me a

> handout he had created based on someone's hatred of sentences with the

> verb 'to be'. This handout said, I quote nearly exactly, 'every time you

> use the verb 'to be', you lie'. There is actually some kind of writing

> ideology out there that would like to rid the language of the verb.

> Where does this  stuff come from?

> 

> Manual writers and teachers use these prohibitions in part, I think, to

> make their lessons stick (humans seem to respect -- and recall? --

> absolute rules a lot more than 'use minimally' or 'use with care'). But

> absurdities such as the above shouldn't be happening. Until a

> scientifically-sound approach to teaching about language structure is

> incorporated in schools, however, they will continue to happen.

> 

> There is also a wide disparity in how much college writing programs

> 'believe in' grammar instruction. Those that don't, or that discourage

> it, won't be holding their teachers to high standards in this area.

> Several of my worst students (as regards their use of formal English in

> writing) have wound up being tutors in our college's writing lab. Maybe

> these students only performed badly in _my_ courses ... I can only hope.

> 

> I'm also wondering if teachers who don't know grammar terms and concepts

> are providing bad models. I've seen and heard students on numerous

> occasions use grammatical terminology in a seeming random way, as if one

> could make the terms mean whatever one wants. 'Passive tense', 'tense in

> the noun' have appeared in our department on answers to MA exam

> questions about linguistics. Do students toss around terminology from

> other disciplines with equal license? (probably)

> 

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Johanna Rubba   Assistant Professor, Linguistics

> English Department, California Polytechnic State University

> One Grand Avenue  . San Luis Obispo, CA 93407

> Tel. (805)-756-2184  .  Fax: (805)-756-6374 . Dept. Phone.  756-259

> . E-mail: [log in to unmask] .  Home page: http://www.calpoly.edu/~jrubba

>                                        **

> "Understanding is a lot like sex; it's got a practical purpose,

> but that's not why people do it normally"  -            Frank  Oppenheimer

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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