Hi Michael,
That's too fancy for me too. Even though Alonzo and Brainerd
themselves didn't diagram such complicated arrangements, they
certainly could have. And I don't think they would have called that
who-clause an appositive. An appositive, after all, has the same
referent as the noun being renamed. In this case, the noun is a
person; a person can't be renamed by a clause.
I call the who-clause a relative (adjectival) clause. The relative
pronoun itself, "who," is the subject of a nominal clause serving as
the direct object of "polls say." In the R&K diagram, I would
position the clause "polls say who has the lowest rating" below the
subject "President Bush," with the dotted line extending from "PB" to
"who."
I don't think I can render a diagram here--but I'll snail-mail you
one, if you wish.
Martha
>Wow, this is getting too fancy for me. "Who polls say has a lower
>rating" is an appositive? Having shown a Reed-Kellogg of diagram
>of this portion coul you possibly show a diagram of the (abbreviaed)
>whole thing, including "Pres. Bush is making adjustments. . .."?
>Thanks!
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Karl Hagen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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>It's a supplementary (i.e., nonrestrictive) relative, as well as an
>appositive. It's what Huddleston and Pullum call a "fused relative" --
>that is, the relative element is both the head of the entire appositive
>(which is thus an NP) and the subject of the embedded relative clause.
>
>Karl Hagen
>Department of English
>Mount St. Mary's College
>
>
>Kischner, Michael wrote:
>> Karl:
>>
>> Could you tell me how you see the relation of "Polls say (that) who has
>> a rating" to what I would call the main clause -- "President Bush is
>> making adjustments. . ."?
>>
>> MK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karl Hagen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:47 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Help with parsing
>>
>> The relative clause is embedded inside the content clause, and 'who'
>> comes from the subject of the content clause. It's reasonably common for
>> the relative pronoun to originate inside an embedded clause like this.
>> Ignoring the modifiers of 'rating', a Reed-Kellogg would look something
>> like this (view in a fixed-font):
>>
>>
>> (that)
>> ------
>> .
>> .
>> who | . has | rating
>> ----+---------------
>> |
>> |
>> polls | say | / \
>> -------+------------
>> |
>>
>> Karl Hagen
>> Department of English
>> Mount St. Mary's College
>>
>>
>> Kischner, Michael wrote:
>>
>>>A colleague asked about this sentence:
>>>
>>> "President Bush, who polls say has the lowest approval rating any
>>>second-term President, is making adjustments to his Social Security
>>>proposal."
>>>
>>>The "who" seems to introduce a relative (adjectival) clause, but that
>>>"who" also seems to introduce the noun clause that's the direct object
>>
>>
>>>of "Polls say." I guess the question is about the "Polls say" clause.
>>>I can't make a Reed-Kellogg diagram of it work.
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