When I read the alleged statement, I said that I liked the point of view
but I doubted that any politician had the guts to say such truths.
Unhappily, I was right.
Kevin Rudd email hoax03/03/2009 at 4:07 PM 2 comments Just in case anyone
has seen this and actually believes it to be true:
KEVIN RUDD has become the latest victim of an email hoax which claims to
report his inflammatory comments about Muslim immigration to Australia.
Mimicking a news agency report, the email reads: "Rudd angered some Muslims
on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's
mosques. "Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take it or leave it. I am
tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual
or their culture." According to the website hoax-slayer.com an identical
email did the rounds last year, attributed to John Howard. But that hasn't
stopped it being posted on bulletin boards in the United States and Britain
(including, bizarrely, a forum about the British weather and a blog on the
mass circulation Daily Express newspaper) in recent weeks. There is also
evidence the email has reached mailboxes in Africa, New Zealand and
Singapore. (Source:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/oh-kevin-you-didnt-20090303-8nhz.html )
Why do people feel compelled to make things like this up? And more to the
point how is it that so many people get sucked in by them?
N. Scott Catledge, PhD/STD
Professor Emeritus
history & languages
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:13:09 -0800
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Subject: "We speak English ...
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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia.
=A0
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to=
get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head=
off potential terror attacks.
=A0
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying h=
e supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
=A0
"Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired o=
f this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or th=
eir culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a su=
rge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.=A0
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials an=
d victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak =
English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any =
other language. If you wish to become part of our society, learn our langua=
ge!=A0
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right-wing, p=
olitical push, but a fact, because Christian men and women founded this nat=
ion on Christian principles and this is clearly documented. It is certainly=
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,=
then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, be=
cause God is part of our culture.=A0
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that=
you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."=A0
"This is OUR country.=A0OUR land, and OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you =
every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whi=
ning, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our=
Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Aust=
ralian freedom,=A0THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You=
asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted or leave it."=0A=0A=
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FONT size=3D4>"Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take It Or Leave It=
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=3D"COLOR: #004200; FONT-SIZE: 36pt"><FONT size=3D4>"This culture has been =
developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions=
of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak English, not Spanish, L=
ebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. If you =
wish to become part of our society, learn our language! </FONT></SPAN>=
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#004200; FONT-SIZE: 36pt"><FONT size=3D4>"Most Australians believe in God.=
This is not
some Christian, right-wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian =
men and women founded this nation on Christian principles and this is clear=
ly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of ou=
r schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of =
the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. </FONT=
></SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR></SPAN><B><SPAN style=
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liefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and l=
ive in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us." </FONT></SPAN></B><SPA=
N style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR></SPAN><B><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #004200=
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OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. B=
ut once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our =
Pledge,
Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take adv=
antage of one other great Australian freedom, </FONT></SPAN></B><B><SP=
AN style=3D"COLOR: #004200; FONT-SIZE: 36pt"><FONT size=3D4>THE RIGHT TO LE=
AVE.</FONT></SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR></SPAN><B><SP=
AN style=3D"COLOR: #004200; FONT-SIZE: 36pt"><FONT size=3D4>"If you aren't =
happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be he=
re. So accept the country YOU accepted or leave it."</FONT></SPAN></B></DIV=
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:32:17 -0500
From: "O'Sullivan, Brian P" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "We speak English ...
Accroding to http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml<http://w=
ww.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml>, much of this was said by ot=
her officials and misattributed to Howard, and Rudd had nothing to do with =
it. This item has been going around in emails for a while, and in some vers=
ions the attribution was changed from Howard to Rudd after the change of ad=
ministrations--apparently to keep the message "relevant," though not factua=
l.
Brian
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]
U] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:13 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: "We speak English ...
(Photo of Prime Minister Rudd rejected by ATEG because all jpeg formats are=
rejected. Ask Google if you want to see what he looks like. )
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia.
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to=
get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head=
off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying h=
e supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
"Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired o=
f this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or th=
eir culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a su=
rge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials an=
d victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak =
English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any =
other language. If you wish to become part of our society, learn our langua=
ge!
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right-wing, p=
olitical push, but a fact, because Christian men and women founded this nat=
ion on Christian principles and this is clearly documented. It is certainly=
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,=
then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, be=
cause God is part of our culture.
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that=
you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"This is OUR country. OUR land, and OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you ev=
ery opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whini=
ng, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our W=
ay of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Austra=
lian freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You=
asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted or leave it."
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:07:59 -0800
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "We speak English ...
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What I hoped you'd see in the quote, regardless of its=A0origin,=A0is, "We =
speak English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, o=
r any other language. If you wish to become part of our society, learn our =
language", which is a point well-taken, and relevant to English teachers wo=
rrying about honoring other cultures in the classroom.
=A0
In my travels in France, I have had a number of Frenchmen say to me, in Eng=
lish,=A0"Of course I speak English but you are in my country and we will sp=
eak French", to which the only reasonable reply is, oui, bien sur -- yes, o=
f course.
=A0
.brad.12dec09.
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, O'Sullivan, Brian P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: O'Sullivan, Brian P <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "We speak English ...
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:32 AM
According to http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml<http://w=
ww.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml>, much of this was said by ot=
her officials and misattributed to Howard, and Rudd had nothing to do with =
it. This item has been going around in emails for a while, and in some vers=
ions the attribution was changed from Howard to Rudd after the change of ad=
ministrations--apparently to keep the message "relevant," though not factua=
l.
Brian
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]
U] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:13 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: "We speak English ...
(Photo of Prime Minister Rudd rejected by ATEG because all jpeg formats are=
rejected. Ask Google if you want to see what he looks like. )
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia.
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to=
get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head=
off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying h=
e supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
"Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired o=
f this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or th=
eir culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a su=
rge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials an=
d victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak =
English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any =
other language. If you wish to become part of our society, learn our langua=
ge!
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right-wing, p=
olitical push, but a fact, because Christian men and women founded this nat=
ion on Christian principles and this is clearly documented. It is certainly=
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,=
then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, be=
cause God is part of our culture.
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that=
you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"This is OUR country. OUR land, and OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you ev=
ery opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whini=
ng, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our W=
ay of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Austra=
lian freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You=
asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted or leave it."
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>What I hoped you'd see in the quote, reg=
ardless of its origin, is, "We speak English, not Spanish, Lebane=
se, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. If you wish =
to become part of our society, learn our language", which is a point well-t=
aken, and relevant to English teachers worrying about honoring other cultur=
es in the classroom.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In my travels in France, I have had a number of Frenchmen say to me, i=
n English, "Of course I speak English but you are in my country and we=
will speak French", to which the only reasonable reply is, <EM>oui, bien s=
ur --</EM> yes, of course.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>.brad.12dec09.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 12/12/09, O'Sullivan, Brian P <I>=
<[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: O'Sullivan, Brian P <[log in to unmask]
U><BR>Subject: Re: "We speak English ...<BR>To: [log in to unmask]
<BR>Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:32 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>According to <A href=3D"http://www.hoax-slayer.com/h=
oward-muslim-speech.shtml" target=3D_blank>http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howar=
d-muslim-speech.shtml</A><<A href=3D"http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-m=
uslim-speech.shtml" target=3D_blank>http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-musli=
m-speech.shtml</A>>, much of this was said by other officials and misatt=
ributed to Howard, and Rudd had nothing to do with it. This item has been g=
oing around in emails for a while, and in some versions the attribution was=
changed from Howard to Rudd after the change of administrations--apparentl=
y to keep the message "relevant," though not factual.<BR><BR>Brian<BR>_____=
___________________________<BR>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English G=
rammar [<A href=3D"http://us.mc365.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DATEG@LIST=
SERV.MUOHIO.EDU" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
MUOHIO.EDU</A>] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston [<A
href=3D"[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]
M" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>]<BR>Sen=
t: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:13 AM<BR>To: <A href=3D"http://us.mc365.m=
[log in to unmask]" ymailto=3D"mailto:A=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A><BR>Subject: "We speak=
English ...<BR><BR>(Photo of Prime Minister Rudd rejected by ATEG because =
all jpeg formats are rejected. Ask Google if you want to see what he looks =
like. )<BR><BR><BR>Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia.<BR><BR>Muslims wh=
o want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out o=
f Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off poten=
tial terror attacks.<BR><BR>Separately, Howard angered some Australian Musl=
ims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation'=
s mosques.<BR><BR>"Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt. Take It Or Leav=
e It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some ind=
ividual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have exp=
erienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.<BR><BR>"This=
culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and vic=
tories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak Engli=
sh, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other=
language. If you wish to become part of our society, learn our language!<B=
R><BR>"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right-w=
ing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women founded th=
is nation on Christian principles and this is clearly documented. It is cer=
tainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offend=
s you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new ho=
me, because God is part of our culture.<BR><BR>"We will accept your
beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, an=
d live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."<BR><BR>"This is OUR coun=
try. OUR land, and OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity t=
o enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping a=
bout Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I hig=
hly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, THE=
RIGHT TO LEAVE.<BR><BR>"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't for=
ce you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accept=
ed or leave it."<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>=0A=0A=
=0A=0A
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