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We've discussed that vs. who at great length on this list, and I've made the argument, based on grammarians like Jespersen and Huddleston&Pullum, that the claim of a distinction of humanness is false. Relative-that is not a pronoun; it's a subordinating conjunction, the same as it is with noun clauses. Because it isn't a pronoun, it can't agree grammatically. Conjunctions in English don't. "Who," on the other hand, is a pronoun with human reference. The "that" form goes back to Old English. The "wh-" forms in their modern form arise in Middle English after the 13th c.
Herb
Herbert F. W. Stahlke, Ph.D.
Emeritus Professor of English
Ball State University
Muncie, IN 47306
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Subject: Pedants that or who?
At 12:38 PM 1/17/2009, Brad Johnston wrote:
>Paulson's Next Stop: Johns Hopkins
>"We are honored to have him coming", said Felisa Klubes, a SAIS spokeswoman.
>DD: Is that now the preferred High Standard English way to go? "him
>coming"? Is it only the ardent pedants that prefer, "his coming"?
> BJ: pedants that? or pedants who?
DD: I sort of guess it depends on your consideration of the humanity
of pedants.
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