Retained object complement. I think Wanda misspoke.
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Subject: Re: Adverb clauses with "that"
Now I'm confused. Is "manifest" the retained object or is it the
complement of the retained object?
Herb
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Subject: Re: Adverb clauses with "that"
I agree with Edith Wollin--it's necessary to recognize--and
respect--the passive. To me, "manifest" is a "retained object."
Wanda Van Goor
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I agree with Herb's analysis until he gets to the last half of the last
sentence. As I look at the sentence, manifest is not the complement of
the subject, but the retained object complement of the sentence,
retained from its active voice form. The insights of TG grammar are
really helpful, I think, in understanding the surface structure of
passive transformations. As I think about what this sentence means, it
seems to me that the language part of the brain is understanding this
sentence in that passive transformational way and not seeing it as some
new surface structure. To understand it as Herb suggests, we would have
to assume another English sentence pattern in which we had a subject, a
passive verb, and subject complement, making it basically the same as a
subject linking verb subject complement pattern. I don't think that is
how the sentence works. I think that makes the same mistake as was made
in calling "He went to the store" and "He was hit by the car." the same
pattern of subject verb. Clearly, the relation between the subject and
verb is quite different in those two sentences and they should not be
seen as the same pattern. I think the same logic applies to "The word of
the Lord was made manifest" and "The word was manifest."
Edith Wollin
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Subject: Re: Adverb clauses with "that"
Here's how I'd treat it. Your sentence is the passive of "[Someone]
made the word of the Lord manifest on earth". In the active sentence,
"manifest" is the object complement of the complex transitive verb
"made". In the passive sentence that you provided, the active object
has become subject, the complement "manifest" is now about the subject
and so has become a subject complement.
Herb
Subject: Re: Adverb clauses with "that"
Need to know the function of "manifest" in the following sentence.
Several arguments are ensuing here at our high school.
The word of the Lord was made manifest on earth.
Thanks for your input!
Gini Grossenbacher/English Department
Sheldon High School/Elk Grove CA
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> "Complement" is a more general term than what Michael needs to explain
> these examples. Complement slots are filled by many phrase types; the
> type of complement that occurs in a phrase is controlled by the phrase
> head -- in this case words like "happy". Verbs of different sorts
> admit different complements: noun phrases, adverb phrases, etc. But
> some verbs allow only certain complements: transitive verbs allow a
> direct-object noun phrase, while intransitives do not allow any
> noun-phrase complements (with certain exceptions -- verbs like "sing"
> and "dance" can take noun phrases as long as they name a song or
> dance).
>
> I agree that the "that" clauses in these cases are complements of the
> adjective, but I also agree that they are adverbial, because they
> answer the question "why", which is one of the "symptoms" of the
> adverbial function. Adjectives admit prepositional-phrase complements,
> as in "proud of the new baby", and the "that" clauses discussed in
> Michael's examples (adverbial clauses functioning as complement of the
> adjective). Off the top of my head, I don't know whether they allow
> any other types.
>
> Dr. Johanna Rubba, Associate Professor, Linguistics Linguistics Minor
> Advisor English Department California Polytechnic State University,
> San Luis Obispo
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