ATEG Archives

November 2004

ATEG@LISTSERV.MIAMIOH.EDU

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Karl Hagen <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:33:59 -0800
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (127 lines)
Herb,

I don't know whether it only applies to NPs, although I've only seen
dislocation discussed in those terms. In any event,  Its hard to see
where it could be dislocated from. The AdjP "narcissistic and vain" acts
essentially like a second subject complement, expanding on the qualities
that make Lear foolish. I don't think it can be read as part of a
3-adjective coordinate sequence (foolish, narcissistic, and vain) of
which the latter two have been hoisted out. That would imply that these
are three separate qualities.

Of course, I suppose we don't need to call it an appositive even so. I
seem to recall reading an account (although I can't remember where it
was Quirk et al? Huddleston/Pullum?) that distinguished between
supplements based on whether they had a specifying or ascriptive
function, and reserved the term "appositive" only for specifying functions.

That means that in a sentence like

 My friend Matt, an outstanding young scholar, is revising his
manuscript for publication.

The phrase "an outstanding young scholar" would just be a NP supplement
rather than an appositive. I'm fuzzy as to the need for this
distinction, though, and personally I would call this an appositive too.

Karl

Karl Hagen
Department of English
Mount St. Mary's College

Stahlke, Herbert F.W. wrote:

>Karl,
>
>Could your sentence be treated as a case of right dislocation rather than apposition?  Or does right dislocation apply only to NPs?
>
>Herb
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Karl Hagen
>Sent: Sun 11/21/2004 10:56 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need help with a phrase
>
>
>
>Jo,
>
>AdjP can be appositives too. Or at least that's how I interpret trailing
>modifiers in sentences such as
>
> Lear was a foolish king--narcissistic and vain.
>
>My intuitive sense, though, is that we're much more likely to see them
>in coordinate pairs or series than alone as a single AdjP..
>
>Karl
>
>Karl Hagen
>Department of English
>Mont St. Mary's College
>
>Jo Rubba wrote:
>
>
>
>>Herb,
>>
>>Thanks for your informative note. My reasoning for not identifying these
>>as relatives is that  the "that" of "the suspicion that he is faking" is
>>not the relative pronoun/subordinator, but the complementizer (pure
>>subordinator) 'that'--as your note about the absence of a gap confirms
>>(that is to say, there is no grammatical  role for the 'that' in the "he
>>is faking" clause). This is the same as with clausal subjects and direct
>>objects: "That he is faking is obvious" and "I know that he is faking".
>>
>>How does traditional grammar analyze these?
>>
>>Isn't it true that only NPs function as appositives (and I mean NPs, not
>>nominals)? Restrictive appositives (e.g., "the short story  A small,
>>good thing'...  ") are very noun-complement-like, so I can see how one
>>might see the complement clauses as appositive, at least in function.
>>
>>
>>***************************************************
>>Johanna Rubba, Associate Professor, Linguistics
>>English Department, Cal Poly State University
>>San Luis Obispo, CA 93407
>>Tel. 805-756-2184 ~ Dept. phone 805-756-2596
>>Dept. fax: 805-756-6374 ~  E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>URL: http://www.cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba
>>***************************************************
>>
>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web
>>interface at:
>>    http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html
>>and select "Join or leave the list"
>>
>>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
>>
>>
>>
>
>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at:
>     http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html
>and select "Join or leave the list"
>
>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
>
>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at:
>     http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html
>and select "Join or leave the list"
>
>Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/
>
>
>

To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at:
     http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html
and select "Join or leave the list"

Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/

ATOM RSS1 RSS2