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Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:55:53 -0500
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   If we want to be alliterative, how about "a goof of grammarians" and "a
load (lode?) of linguists".
   It's amazing that this "parlor game" has given people the impression
that there are"correct" terms for these things. We can't just say "a
group of turkeys" without feeling we are unsophisticated.
   Turkeys, by the way, have been making a delightful recovery in New Yrk
State. They used to be rare, but now they are delightfully common.

Craig


How about "a parse of grammarians"?
>
> Dr. Seth Katz
> Assistant Professor     |   Faculty Advisor
> Department of English   |   Bradley University Hillel
> Bradley University      |
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Spruiell,
> William C
> Sent: Wed 2/28/2007 3:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Groups(Babies, Males, Females) of Animales Types
>
>
> This thread has reminded me that we also need terms for collections of
> language specialists. I therefore (and herewith) propose the following:
>
>             A schism of grammarians
>             A gabble of linguists
>
> -- Bill Spruiell
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stahlke, Herbert F.W.
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:36 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Groups(Babies, Males, Females) of Animales Types
>
> I was going to comment on this, but I went to the website Jane kindly
> provide a link for, and found that Macklin Smith, at UofMich, who is much
> better qualified on this than I am, said what I had in mind, but did so
> rather better.  Here's the relevant section of his comments:
>
> But most are coinages of a rather fanciful,
> witty, and often literary sort; and aren't particularly old in the
> long scheme of things.  "A murder of crows," for example, is neither
> common parlance nor old; nor is "an exaltation of larks" or "a
> murmuration of starlings"--both of which have all the marks of
> 18th-c. salon wit (though they could date from Renaissance courtly
> ostentation as well).  If we consider lists like these, we see some
> relatively authentic (i.e., part of the common language) words,
> but we mostly see poeticisms.  Syntactically, a lot of these
> simply take a verb and wrench it into a nonce noun ("a paddling
> of ducks")--I mean, no one except a would-be landed gentryperson
> would speak like this!  More legitimately part of the common
> language are usages like "a brood of hens" (common, ref. to
> husbandry) and "a rafter of turkeys" (less common, but ditto);
> and some based on older metaphors ("a skein of geese").
>
> When he suggests that these collectives sound like "18th c. salon wit"
> he's right.  This was a popular word game in the 18th and 19th cc. among
> educated and upperclass young people, to see who could come up with the
> cleverest collective.
>
> Herb
> ________________________________
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Saral
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:23 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Groups(Babies, Males, Females) of Animales Types
>
> It appears to be a rafter of turkeys.
> See:
> http://www.bcpl.net/~tross/gnlist.html
>
> Jane Saral
>
>
> On 2/28/07, Chris Redding <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> We live in a semi-rural patch in the city where animals assemble for
> food. Notable among the visitors are the turkeys. They have become a part
>
> of our lives. It is all the more reason that we should use the right
> language to describe them. For example, we don't know the name of a
> collection of turkeys. The dictionary doesn't help. Also, what are the
>
> names of the males and females and babies? But, I really am talking about
>
> this question in general. Is there a word to describe this word
> specialization among animal types? Also, is there a book to go to that ha
> s
> compiled this information already? Thank you.
>
>                                                     Chris Redding
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