> Brad,
   The problem, I think, is that they expect "good grammar" to be
something that teachers acquire rather than know about. Correcting
errors is not the same thing as teaching about grammar. There's a lot
more involved in language than "conventional standards." A typical
English teacher is trained in literature, but not in language.

Craig
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> Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Grammar is not highly valued by progressive educators, which is why NCTE
> is in opposition to the direct teaching of grammar in the schools. The
> opposition comes in part because grammar is very narrowly defined. The
> conversation rarely happens because the two worlds are so far apart.
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> Is it not true that while the NCTE opposes the direct teaching of grammar
> in the schools, they expect that teachers of the various English
> disciplines will be more than conversant with the good grammar of Standard
> English, so that teachers who grade student essays, for example, can
> constantly nudge student writing in the direction of conventional
> standards?
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> So-called "creative" writing, which often ignores good grammar, comes
> later and violations are, or should be, done with intent and not through
> ignorance. Contemporary authors almost always claim intent but often there
> is evidence to the contrary.
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