When I've heard "Missippi" and "Miz" in the South--I taught at Georgia State in Atlanta for six years, they seemed to parse as three and two syllables respectively. The "miss" of "Missippi" the [s] was lengthened as if there was another syllable hidden there. I suspect that the phonological history of the pronunciation would have involve a voiceless schwa between the two voiceless fricatives. This is a common phenomenon in Spoken English. In the case of "Miz," the vowel is long and diphthongized and could be analyzed as two syllables. Certainly the length it carries supports such an analysis.
Herb
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We often say "Missippi" but we write "Mississippi." Offlt enough I have never seen Mississippi misspelled by a native. I was a linguist in Mississippi for two years in the 90s but never met anyone else.
Of course I was not working at or attending a university or college either and we normally do not go around with "Linguist" on our license plates.
Scott Catledge
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:06:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: Singular and Plural Possessive forms of Last Names and Apostrophe Placement
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Well, "linguist have" is a periphrastic dual for just such situations.
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Is it true that in Missippi, the linguist there have designated Febuary as = Haplogy Month?
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:30:54 -0400
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Are you a joke?
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Are you a joke? <br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Stahlke, Herber= t <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blan= k">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA= DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div lang=3D"EN-US" vlink=3D"purple"
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Humor on ATEG-L? Heaven forfend!
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Are you a joke?
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Well, "linguist have" is a periphrastic dual for just such situations.
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