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"Paul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:23:16 -0500
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You all might want to try Amazon.com -- I just ordered a copy (used) from
them (I won't upset you by telling you how low the price was!!!), but I also
noticed that they seem to have several available.

Paul
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane Allen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Francis Christensen


> I studied Christensen as an undergraduate 30 years ago, and yes, I would
be
> interested in seeing the book again.
>
> Diane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Wollin, Edith
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:38 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Francis Christensen
>
>
> I am interested in this, here in Seattle and at least a nominal host.  I
> read Christenson way back in my second time in graduate school and it is
his
> work that got me interested in what I now know as rhetorical grammar, but
at
> the time I simply saw as a way that I thought of to teach grammar that
would
> really improve writing at the same time that it increased knowledge of
> syntax.
> So I am looking forward to seeing you in Seattle. Why not do a session on
> this?
> Edith Wollin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Stewart [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Francis Christensen
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Yes, "A New Rhetoric" has been out of print for many years. A few years
ago
> I acquired the copyright to all of Francis Christensen's work, and I have
> revised his monumental Christensen Rhetoric Program, now reissued as part
of
> a series called The Stewart English Program.
>
> I have noticed your occasional references to Christensen in your posts and
> have often wondered how many others on the list are familiar with his
work,
> and whether there might be some who are interested in seeing "A New
> Rhetoric" back in print.
>
> I will be at the convention in Seattle and would love to meet with any
> interested members.
>
> Don Stewart
> --
> Keeper of the memory and method of Dr. Francis Christensen.
> WriteforCollege.com
> The Stewart English Program (epsbooks.com)
>
> > From: Edward Vavra <[log in to unmask]>
> > Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:03:05 -0500
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Francis Christensen
> >
> > Don,
> > The end of your message states:
> > "Don Stewart
> > Keeper of the memory and method of Francis Christensen"
> >
> > Are you aware that the strongest research that supports the teaching of
> > grammar supports the Christensens' A New Rhetoric?  To my knowledge, the
> > book is out of print. If it is not, I would like to know, and if it is,
> > I hope that you are attempting to get it reprinted.
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >>>> [log in to unmask] 01/27/04 12:37PM >>>
> > Some of difficulty comes from the fact that there are
> > several prepositions that can also be subordinating
> > conjunctions: after, before, since, till, until. The
> > other problem is that gerunds look just like present
> > participles.
> >
> > So when we have "after dining," do we have a
> > preposition and a gerund, or a subordinating
> > conjunction and a present participle, with stuff
> > missing?
> >
> > Substitution helps. First substitute the other
> > prepositions: "Since dining at the Ritz," etc. Then
> > substitute common nouns as the object of the
> > preposition: "Since dinner at the Ritz," etc. I don't
> > think that means "Since (I had) dinner at the Ritz."
> >
> > Gerunds are nouns, and they can do anything any other
> > noun can do, such as being the object of a
> > preposition. It sure seems simpler than trying to keep
> > them as verbs with a bunch of invisible words.
> >
> > If it walks like a duck.....
> >
> > Don
> >
> > ****************
> > Don Stewart
> > Keeper of the memory and method of Francis Christensen
> >
> >
> >
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