Can students on your campus have guns in their backpacks, or even their
rooms?  Why not? ;)

Sincerely, 
The Devil's Advocate

-----Original Message-----
From: Cisco Clean Access Users and Administrators
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Feise
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Freedom and the community.

Daniel Sichel wrote on 05/12/09 08:17:

> 
> The software is "merely installed" is not a complete statement of the
> facts.


Yes, it was. This whole issue was about detecting installed p2p software
that is
not in use.
Usage is a whole different thing.
Please do not muddle the issue.

> There is a high probability that this leads foreseeably (sp?)  to
> use of the "merely installed" software.


Again, usage is a whole different thing.
And, as one of the posters said, network admins are sure within their
rights to
block p2p traffic. That's traffic, as in usage.

>  Certainly a case can be made
> that it is the responsibility of the student to make sure it's not in
> use.


Yes.

> How about this as a compromise? Leave the software, run Nessus on
> the LAN. When (and I mean when, not if) the student's computer begins
> generating traffic that indicates he or she is abusing the facility
with
> P2P software, their connection is terminated until they pay a fine
equal
> to the value of excess bandwidth used and maybe reasonable
compensation
> to the other responsible users for the degraded facility. No excuses.


If the student violates the rules of using the network, there are
presumably
appropriate remedies for that.
But again, I have not argued about usage. I only argued about having the
software installed. Having certain software installed on the student's
personal
property does not violate any network usage rules.

> As for banning books, try citing the Bible in your psych class as a
> guide to human behavior and you will swiftly discover, academia
already
> bans books.


Here you again confuse possession with usage.
A professor is not going to look in my backpack to see if I carry the
Bible with
me...
Having software installed is akin to possessing particular books, even
carrying
them with me if I wish to.

-Joe