No is asking students to leave, merely suggesting that if the policies
governing network use are unacceptable to you, perhaps another
university will have network use policies more to your liking.

I don't like the fact that I'm not allowed to drive my car at 90 mph
through residential area.  That doesn't make the law governing use of
an automobile of no effect with regards to me, or make me immune from
the consequences the follow violation of the law.

The school has within their rights adopted a policy you don't like.
We got it...if it's that big of an afront to you, enroll somewhere
else. That is your right.  I'm simply trying to make you realized that
you are empowered to take action, and the action you're empowered to
take.

On 5/14/09, Joey Mavity <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> How well is that policy of asking students to leave your college working
> in the eyes of your administration?
>
>
>
> From: Cisco Clean Access Users and Administrators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Fischer
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CLEANACCESS] Freedom and the community.
>
>
>
> This is a poor analogy on a lot of levels...
>
>
>
> The problem with P2P software on the college campus
>
>
>
> 1. legal concern - the transfer of copyrighted works across the
> college's infrastructure without the college being able to track/police
> it.  P2P has legitimate purposes, but the risk of illegitimate use
> appear to outweigh the benefits of legitimate use in the eyes of the
> administrators and regents.
>
>
>
> 2. "fair" use concern - ensuring the resource is available to all
> students for the purpose intended.  I think we can all agree that the
> intended purpose is NOT to provide lower-layer transport for P2P
> software/protocols.  Some of these applications can act as denial of
> service agents, as the bandwidth they consume is not trivial, and can
> deny use of the resource for the purpose for which it was intended.
>
>
>
> The resource belongs to the college, not to the students.  As such, it
> is up to the perogative of the college (administrators, regents, etc) to
> determine the conditions under which students can use that resource.  It
> appears that a student is taking issue with a specific set of rules and
> regulations governing the use of the college's network resource.  I
> appreciate that indivuals concern, and would invite him, after the
> current semister,  to find a college where the rules and regulations
> governing the use of the network resource provided by the college are
> more to his liking.
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Koffler, George A. <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Can students on your campus have guns in their backpacks, or even their
> rooms?  Why not? ;)
>
> Sincerely,
> The Devil's Advocate
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cisco Clean Access Users and Administrators
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Feise
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Freedom and the community.
>
> Daniel Sichel wrote on 05/12/09 08:17:
>
>>
>> The software is "merely installed" is not a complete statement of the
>> facts.
>
>
> Yes, it was. This whole issue was about detecting installed p2p software
> that is
> not in use.
> Usage is a whole different thing.
> Please do not muddle the issue.
>
>> There is a high probability that this leads foreseeably (sp?)  to
>> use of the "merely installed" software.
>
>
> Again, usage is a whole different thing.
> And, as one of the posters said, network admins are sure within their
> rights to
> block p2p traffic. That's traffic, as in usage.
>
>>  Certainly a case can be made
>> that it is the responsibility of the student to make sure it's not in
>> use.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>> How about this as a compromise? Leave the software, run Nessus on
>> the LAN. When (and I mean when, not if) the student's computer begins
>> generating traffic that indicates he or she is abusing the facility
> with
>> P2P software, their connection is terminated until they pay a fine
> equal
>> to the value of excess bandwidth used and maybe reasonable
> compensation
>> to the other responsible users for the degraded facility. No excuses.
>
>
> If the student violates the rules of using the network, there are
> presumably
> appropriate remedies for that.
> But again, I have not argued about usage. I only argued about having the
> software installed. Having certain software installed on the student's
> personal
> property does not violate any network usage rules.
>
>> As for banning books, try citing the Bible in your psych class as a
>> guide to human behavior and you will swiftly discover, academia
> already
>> bans books.
>
>
> Here you again confuse possession with usage.
> A professor is not going to look in my backpack to see if I carry the
> Bible with
> me...
> Having software installed is akin to possessing particular books, even
> carrying
> them with me if I wish to.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before
> his glorious presence without fault and with great joy
>
>

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