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Sally Gunz <[log in to unmask]>
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Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
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Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:27:02 -0400
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OK -- would any of our colleagues at Georgia explain 'what' is Lee Reed? 
Lee?

Well, Lee can be found at 
http://www.terry.uga.edu/spotlight/faculty/lee_reed.html
and I very much like this sentence in his bio: "Reed also has served as 
editor-in-chief of the field's leading research periodical, /American 
Business Law Journal"

/Lee is one of our very fine colleagues who along with me, and a host of 
other forgetful characters, has been known to hit return on ALSB talk 
and extend his thoughts to the whole group when intending them for a 
more select few.  You will get used to an email from one of us that 
hopefully makes little sense and then a hastily sent further email that 
asks you please to ignore the one before.

But you are right on your point re collegiality and ethics. I just hope 
people do not in fact get turned off by this action.

Sally
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Delaurell, Roxane M wrote:

>Thanks Sally-Of course you are correct, no one should have any expectation of privacy in what they say 'on the internet' as David points out, but the issue here is one of collegial trust as pointed out by Bob and many others. The anonymity and the direction, to her supervisor without copying her, of the forward are unsettling. It is not a question of legality but of ethics. In any event I appreciate your comments and surely one bad actor should not spoil a good thing and I do look forward to seeing everyone in Long Beach if not sooner!
>BTW, what is Lee Reed? Really?  Will us newbies ever get to know? :)
>Cheers,
>Roxane
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>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on behalf of Sally Gunz
>Sent: Tue 10/23/2007 3:22 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Interesting tactics
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>Roxanne:
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>I wouldn't limit your use. I think all of us everywhere should assume
>that emails are 'public' and be sensible in what we send. So, eg, when
>Sally Gunz says Lee Reed is a really, really ????, she should assume
>that Lee will receive this message (sorry -- as a newcomer, you won't
>know why I am saying this. A number of us, including Lee and myself,
>have been known to send out emails to the whole group that we intended
>for more limited circulation). I guess I find it amazing that someone
>would send a posting to an administrator of the writer. I would like to
>think the administrator would defend the person's right to say whatever
>they said but probably I am naive.
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>In sum: I don't believe I have seen much in the way of postings that
>would be of interest to my Dean. I think we should all be smart about
>what we say electronically or otherwise. And yes, the person who sent
>this out is sneaky and even creepy and maybe should be, if guilty, hung
>drawn and quartered. But let's not hold back here in what we say as a
>result. Keep speaking up as we want to hear what you and most everyone
>else has to say.
>
>Sally
>
>Delaurell, Roxane M wrote:
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>>As a new-er member I was just starting to use the listserv and
>>participate. As I told Nancy, I will now limit my participation
>>significantly. The standard of collegiality has been breached. Also I do
>>think that all e mails can be traced to some source-they are rarely
>>anonymous or so I am told. 
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>>
>>Roxane DeLaurell JD, LLM, PhD
>>Assistant Professor Legal Studies
>>Accounting and Legal Studies
>>College of Charleston
>>Beatty Center 424
>>5 Liberty Street
>>Charleston, SC 29401
>>
>>843.953.5358
>>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ginger, Laura
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:17 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Interesting tactics
>>
>>I think "despicable" fits as well.  I wish we could find out who did
>>this and cut off his or her access to the listservs.  That might
>>minimize the chilling effect of the violation of our trust which
>>happened here.
>>Laura
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Allison
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:12 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Interesting tactics
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>>"Appalling" is certainly an appropriate descriptor.  I, like Bob, know
>>nothing of the context, but if this was done as alleged, it is sleazy
>>and is indeed likely to have a chilling effect on open discourse among
>>the community.
>>
>>John
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Suzy Rogers
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:37 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Interesting tactics
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>>I was appalled to hear this had happened.  It reminded me of the sort of
>>abuses that occurred in the McCarthy commie-hunting era.
>>
>>I have always thought of the list as being a place to explore and
>>discuss ideas, and I think this kind of behavior has a distinct chilling
>>effect.
>>
>>Suzy
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>>Kenneth Schneyer wrote:
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>>>I agree entirely with Bob on both counts.  There's no "cone of
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>>silence,"
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>>>but civility does have certain minimum requirements.
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>>>I was very unhappy to learn of this "back door" forwarding of an
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>>e-mail.
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>>>At minimum, I would have expected someone to inform Nancy that he or
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>>she
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>>>was forwarding her e-mail to the chair.  Speaking behind someone's back
>>>strikes me as contrary to the spirit of open discussion that we try to
>>>foster.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ken Schneyer
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bennett, Robert
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:16 AM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Interesting tactics
>>>
>>>The Executive Committee has asked me to respond to this posting (though
>>>it has not endorsed this response).  It seems appropriate to remind
>>>members of ALSBtalk that we have always viewed the ALSB as an inclusive
>>>and supportive community of scholars--and ALSBtalk to be an important
>>>outlet for members of the community to communicate with each other.  We
>>>encourage open and free communication on the list within the restraints
>>>of mutual respect and civility.  Although there is no "cone of silence"
>>>governing the list and its postings and I do not know the context of
>>>Nancy's posting (i.e., what postings were forwarded to her chair or
>>>why), the furtive reporting which she complains of seems to me to be
>>>inconsistent with the minimum requirements of community, mutual respect
>>>and civility that posters on the list have a right to expect.  I would
>>>encourage members of the list to be mindful of those reasonable
>>>expectations in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>Your friend,
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>Robert B. Bennett, Jr.
>>>Professor of Business Law
>>>College of Business Administration
>>>Butler University
>>>4600 Sunset Avenue
>>>Indianapolis, Indiana    46208
>>>Phone:  (317) 940-9502
>>>Fax:  (317) 940-9455
>>>E-mail:  [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of White, Nancy Jean
>>>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:24 AM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Interesting tactics
>>>
>>>To the person on this listserve who anonymously sent some of my posts
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>>on
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>>>this listserve to my department chair:
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>>>My department chair did inform me you had sent some posts of mine to
>>>this listserve to him but you did not reveal your name. I am sure that
>>>if you had asked him to keep it confidential, he would have done so. He
>>>reiterated Central Michigan University's commitment to free speech but
>>>did want to inform me that this had occurred.
>>>
>>>Nancy J. White
>>>Department of Finance and Law
>>>Central Michigan University
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