Hi Connie,
That is well and good and I could not agree more, but for many of us, it is just not the complete reality. As Chair of the Department of Law at Baruch College/City University of New York for the past 21 years, I have presented dozens of my b-law faculty to the School P&B (the committee made up of the other b-school academic Chairs) for reappointment, tenure and promotion, and if I gave that answer alone to their standard queries (unfortunately often reflecting a lack of understanding of the nature of legal scholarship), many of my faculty would have lost out. Although lists/rankings are imperfect and can be misleading and objectionable to many of us, to the extent that we can have input into their formulation, and can include appropriate explanations and caveats, to me, is much better that having it imposed upon us by "outsiders".
By the way, Carol's and Linda's recent article on Legal Studies Scholarship is terrific and will be extremely helpful to me in my tasks. Thank you Carol and Linda.
Best wishes,
Elliot
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Zicklin School of Business
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From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on behalf of Bagley, Connie
Sent: Thu 10/1/2009 8:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Law journal rankings
I support what Steve Salbu said at our annual meeting -- we should evaluate legal scholarship the old fashioned way -- by actually reading the articles in promotion packets. Connie
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From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard L. Coffinberger
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Law journal rankings
Neil: Your comments are right on point. Law profs in most b-school have very unrealistic journal lists imposed upon them while their non-law colleagues "stack the decks" in their own favor so they can garner the promotions and raises.
Unfortunately for us, they have the power and we don't.
Rick
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From: M Neil Browne <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Law journal rankings
> Just to piggyback on Robert's reaction to the question a bit:
>
> Carol's original message contained the apt caution that certain
> journals are for all practical purposes not accessible as
> publication outlets for undergraduate business law professors.
> But Carol named only 2. I would suggest that the list is quite a
> bit longer. Yes, there are people on this list whose institution
> of origin and whose hard work have combined to belie what I just
> claimed. But for almost all of us, the kind of question Carol
> asked---one that is usually imposed on us by the very mentality
> Robert identified-is pernicious to our reputations and careers at
> our home institutions.
>
> The few business schools where I have some knowledge of this
> process compound the problem for business law faculty by cleverly
> setting up their own journal lists in individual departments in a
> fashion such that it is relatively easy for them to publish in
> what they deem in self-aggrandizing fashion to be "high quality"
> journals.
>
> Neil
>
> M. Neil Browne
> Senior Scholar and Distinguished Teaching Professor
> Bowling Green State University
> 702-808-2379
>
> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Bird
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Law journal rankings
>
> This is a question that's very difficult to answer. There are so
> many journals in so many disciplines. Literally, journals like
> NYU L Rev, Stanford L Rev, and Columbia L Rev are next ... but
> they are also virtually impossible to publish in.
>
> If someone is insisting on three, I suggest looking at Washington
> & Lee's law review ranking directory, pick the relevant legal
> discipline, and choose from that list.
>
> The fact that you asking this question gives me the shivers, as it
> sounds like a business professor trying to impose their journal
> list system on an utterly unrelated discipline.
>
> Robert
>
> Robert C. Bird
> Assistant Professor & Ackerman Scholar
> Department of Marketing and Law
> University of Connecticut
> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> View my research on my SSRN Author page:
> http://ssrn.com/author=56987
>
> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Miller, Carol J
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:40 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Law journal rankings
>
> Question for this afternoon's response:
>
> If you could pick ONLY THREE general law reviews or law journals
> (in addition to the ABLJ) for a top tier of publications -- what
> would they be? Exclude Harvard & Yale (in which it is unlikely
> that undergraduate b. law professors will have an opportunity to
> publish).
> Carol
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