Everybody get a life parties happen at college sorry but its true, its true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James R. Turner" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Campus Parties
> Might we anticipate some student arguments against restraint by the
campus?
> 1. The ho theme is routinely tolerated in rap music.
> 2. The style of dress has been routinely tolerated in Madonna, high
fashion,
> etc.
> 3. According to the WallStJournal, some women are tending to dress more
> provocatively in the workplace.
> 4. We are just parodying these fashions.
>
> If argument 4 is true, then maybe it would be counterproductive for campus
> authorities to actively oppose the ho party theme. Maybe it should be
tolerated,
> along with tattoos and body piercing, as part of the "meme"-forming of
this
> generation -- as long as it stays within the Aristotelian Golden Mean.
>
> However, in binge drinking situations, too often the parody can turn into
real
> life. Therefore the ho party theme can properly be discouraged. Groups
could be
> warned that if trouble develops, the fact that such a party had occurred
would
> make campus sanctions and legal liability much worse (like sentencing for
a
> corporation that had no ethical training in place.) Groups' "risk
management"
> control could then help to police the problem.
> -- Jim Turner
>
> lvkatz wrote:
>
> > Good for you, Dan, for telling your students what you think. Shouldn't
the
> > college make it clear that this kind of thing is wrong, and by the way
can
> > subject several parties to liability? Should we wait til ho is gang
banged or
> > worse before letting these kids know they are wrong?
> > Lucy
> >
> > >===== Original Message From "Academy of Legal Studies in Business
(ALSB)
> > Talk" <[log in to unmask]> =====
> > >What I have discovered is that there are no rules/standards anymore.
> > >Everything is acceptable. I listened to a Bob Dylan song a few days
ago
> > >and one of the lines that was "out there" at the time was "even the
> > >President of the United States must have to stand naked." That was an
> > >extreme statement at the time. Now we have had nightly news reports of
> > >oral sex in the Whitehouse. Nothing is shocking nothing is wrong. I
> > >never thought that I would take this view, but I have become
conservative!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 11:25 AM 10/17/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>Dan: Give the students a break, Dan. They're defining their own
"existence
> > >>and meaning" consistent with what they see in the White House and with
the
> > >>U.S. Supreme Court's definition of "liberty" in Casey:
> > >>
> > >>"At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of
> > >>existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human
life. "
> > >>Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 852 (1992).
> > >>
> > >>And we certainly can't judge them or be intolerant of their views can
we?
> > >>Agree or disagree....
> > >>
> > >>========================
> > >>Dr. Joe Zavaletta
> > >>UT Brownsville, 80 Fort Brown
> > >>Brownsville, Texas 78520
> > >>956-983-7303
> > >>http://www.zavaletta.com
> > >>[log in to unmask]
> > >>Toll Free: 1-888-500-6075
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> > >>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of DANIEL HERRON
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:06 AM
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Campus Parties
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Hi All,
> > >>
> > >>Just a note to let you know that the fall ALSB newsletters are being
mailed
> > >>today. But I have another issue to ask you about.
> > >>
> > >>I was having a discussion with my upper-level bus-law class students
when
> > >>the topic of parties (not political; but the "fun" kind) came up. I
was
> > >>horrified and incensed to learn that a common theme party hosted by
both
> > >>fraternities and sororities here at Miami each year is something
called a
> > >>"pimp and 'ho" party in which the man dresses up like a "pimp" and the
woman
> > >>like a prostitute.
> > >>
> > >>This is beyond my belief. I immediately launched into a mini-diatribe
on
> > >>exploitation and stereotypes and even commented that maybe we should
have
> > >>plantation owner-slave parties or cowboy-Indian parties, or better
yet, why
> > >>not Nazi-Jew parties set in a concentration camp setting.....my biting
> > >>sarcasm was lost on the students.
> > >>
> > >>Have any of you ever heard of such a thing? A good relevant question
is
> > >>whether the University can or should step in on matters such as these.
> > >>
> > >>Dan
> > >>
> >
> > Lucy Katz
> > Fairfield University
> > Fairfield, CT 06430
>
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