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Gavin:

Just out of curiosity, how does HLS make the case that it actually 
/needs/ money? Maybe its money bin needs an expansion?

I trust you are offering your assistance.

Sally

Gavin Clarkson wrote:

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> Hmmm.  As soon as I sent out my latest dig at HLS, a solicitation for 
> an alumni contribution instantly popped into my email inbox.  I guess 
> Harvard's elitism doesn't preclude asking an anachronistic savage for 
> money.
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>  Or, maybe the elites are have their NSA minions spying on us.
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> Dr. Gavin Clarkson
> Assistant Professor
> University of Michigan
>     School of Information
>     School of Law
>     Native American Studies
> 304 West Hall, 1085 S. University Ave.
> Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107
> 734-763-2284
> 734-764-2475 FAX
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.si.umich.edu/~gsmc
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> "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk" 
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote on 12/20/2005 12:04:16 PM:
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> > But as an American Indian, I find the justices to be extremely
> > elitist, since they still regard me and my fellow tribal members as
> > an anachronistic savages, even in their 21st century jurisprudence.  
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> > Maybe it's because most of them went to Harvard Law.
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> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Dr. Gavin Clarkson
> > Assistant Professor
> > University of Michigan
> >     School of Information
> >     School of Law
> >     Native American Studies
> > 304 West Hall, 1085 S. University Ave.
> > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107
> > 734-763-2284
> > 734-764-2475 FAX
> > [log in to unmask]
> > http://www.si.umich.edu/~gsmc
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> > "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote on 12/20/2005 09:45:07 AM:
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> > > As a person of color, I must say I am so very thankful for those 
> elitist
> > > judges who said to hell with the popular majority of Little Rock
> > > (represented by their elected representative, Gov. Faubus) who 
> wanted to
> > > keep an all-white high school.
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> > > Of course, those elitist judges always ignore the will of the 
> people.  Take
> > > those elitist judges, for example, who intervened in a case 
> involing the
> > > Florida Supreme Court interpreting Florida State Law (Bush v Gore).
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> > > Then there were those elitist judges who overturned a unanimous 
> New Jersey
> > > Supreme Court interpreting a New Jersey state statute on the basis 
> of.... a
> > > highly respected and well established, expressly provided for and 
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> > > freedom.... "expressive association"  (BSA v Dale).  Funny thing was,
> > > search as I might, I just couldn't find those words in my pocket
> > > Constitution.  See? Elitist, I say!
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> > > _____
> > > Terence Lau
> > > Assistant Professor, Business Law
> > > Management and Marketing Department
> > > University of Dayton
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> > >       To    [log in to unmask]
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> > >       Subject     Re: Penumbras again
> > > "David W. Opderbeck" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent by: "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > 12/19/2005 05:10 PM
> > > <HR><font size=-1>Please respond to
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> > > Or:
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> > > Which penumbras do you prefer:
> > >
> > > (a) Those that subvert the democratic process by allowing of 5 out 
> of 9
> > > unelected, unaccountable, elitist juges to overturn the will of 
> the people
> > > as reflected in laws passed by elected representatives;
> > >
> > > (b) Those invoked by our Commander-in-Chief, who is accountable to the
> > > political process, in the course of a war against evil terrorists 
> who want
> > > to kill us;
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> > > (c) Both;
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> > > (d) Neither.
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> > > :-)
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> > > Personally I would take any penumbra that would grade my exams for me.
> > >
> > > David W. Opderbeck
> > > Assistant Professor of Business Law
> > > Baruch College, City University of New York
> > > (646) 312-3602
> > > [log in to unmask]
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> > > "Ingulli, Elaine" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent by: "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > 12/19/2005 04:49 PM
> > > Please respond to "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
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> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > cc:
> > > bcc:
> > > Subject: Re: Penumbras again
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> > > OK: here's a response:
> > > Which penumbras do you prefer?
> > > (a) Those that create and protect individual rights and freedoms
> > > (b) Those that trample on the above.
> > > (c) Both
> > > (d) Neither
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> > > Sorry--I couldn't resist.Elaine
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on behalf 
> of Keith
> > > Maxwell
> > > Sent: Mon 12/19/2005 4:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: Penumbras again
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> > > ALSBers:
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> > > I’m taking an informal survey related to a recent current event.
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> > > Which penumbra do you prefer?
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> > > (a)     The one Douglas found in the First Amendment
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> > > (b)     The one the President finds in Article II
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> > > (c)     Both
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> > > (d)     Neither
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> > >
> > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > Keith A. Maxwell
> > > Nat S. and Marian W. Rogers Professor
> > > Professor of Legal Studies and Ethics
> > > School of Business and Leadership
> > > University of Puget Sound
> > > Tacoma, WA 98416
> > > Office Phone: 253.879.3703
> > > www.ups.edu/faculty/maxwell/home.htm
> > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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> > > _____
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> > >
> > > From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Schneyer
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:18 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Penumbra metaphors
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> > > Isn’t the literal meaning of penumbra sufficiently metaphorical 
> for legal
> > > purposes?  “A partial shadow, as in an eclipse, between regions of 
> complete
> > > shadow and complete illumination.”
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> > > Ken Schneyer
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Keith Maxwell
> > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:34 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Penumbra metaphors
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> > > A metaphor for “penumbra”? What about the aftertaste that lingers 
> on the
> > > palate after a sip of an excellent wine. Though originalists will 
> likely
> > > disagree, the “penumbra du vin,” like its constitutional 
> counterpart, is
> > > not whimsical at all—it is a quality of the wine. If you do not 
> like the
> > > aftertaste, drink different wine. (Lest I be misunderstood, the 
> latter is
> > > NOT a metaphor for “love it or leave it”, but it could be one for 
> Article
> > > V.)
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> > > Keith
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> > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > Keith A. Maxwell
> > > Nat S. and Marian W. Rogers Professor
> > > Professor of Legal Studies and Ethics
> > > School of Business and Leadership
> > > University of Puget Sound
> > > Tacoma, WA 98416
> > > Office Phone: 253.879.3703
> > > www.ups.edu/faculty/maxwell/home.htm
> > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Cross
> > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: my point, and cakes as the Constitution
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> > > This is not a good metaphor for originalists.
> > > If I'm eating a cake, I definitely want input from the international
> > > community.  Certainly the French and Viennese.  And I don't want 
> the same
> > > old exact cake, over and over again, prepared from a recipe that 
> permits no
> > > departures.
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> > >
> > > At 09:39 AM 12/12/2005, David W. Opderbeck wrote:
> > >
> > > To your nose, what scent connotes sweet justice?
> > >
> > > I'm not sure, but I'll bet I could find something in the law and 
> norms of
> > > the international community that would provide some guidance.
> > >
> > > David W. Opderbeck
> > > Assistant Professor of Business Law
> > > Baruch College, City University of New York
> > > (646) 312-3602
> > > [log in to unmask]
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> > > "Michael O'Hara" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent by: "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > 12/12/2005 09:08 AM CST
> > > Please respond to "Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk"
> > >
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > cc:
> > > bcc:
> > > Subject: Re: my point, and cakes as the Constitution
> > >
> > >
> > > David:
> > >
> > > I love your sense of humor, it so exhibits the overtones of an
> > > emanation.  Clearly, the cake's penumbra would be the those tastes 
> a cook
> > > calls a shadow of a flavor (e.g., hickory flavor is strong and 
> meringue if
> > > weak).  The emanations, of course, would the aromas of the cake. 
>  To your
> > > nose, what scent connotes sweet justice?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Professor Michael J. O'Hara, J.D., Ph.D.
> > > Finance, Banking, & Law Department        Editor, Journal of Legal
> > > Economics
> > > College of Business Administration        (402) 554 - 2014 voice 
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> > > (402) 554 - 2823 voice  fax (402) 554 - 2680
> > > http://cba.unomaha.edu/faculty/mohara/web/ohara.htm
> > >
> > > **********************************************************
> > >
> > > Frank Cross
> > > McCombs School of Business
> > > The University of Texas at Austin
> > > 1 University Station B6000
> > > Austin, TX 78712-1178
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