Bill:
I know what you mean. I wondered about that scene, too, then decided
that at first, Miller was unsure how to respond. He was not a
professional soldier, but a civilian. A miltary response would
probably have been to exert his seniority and power over his
subordinates, and order them (shouting) to stand down. But he didn't,
or couldn't. What he did instead was bring the situation out of a
dangerous "attack" posture back into an ordinary human one. Rather
than confront the danger, he sidetracked it. When he asked what the
bet was on him, he changed the subject entirely, and one can almost
hear the others saying, "Huh?" But it worked. It defused the
situation. Then he went on to talk matter-of-factly about being a
high school teacher, not a soldier, and then he explained that if doing
his job would get him back home to his wife and family, then that's
what he was going to do. It was a kind of "lead by example" moment. He
never told them what to do; he just explained what he was going to do,
and why. Speaking to the angry subordinate (forget his name), Miller
said that if the fellow wanted to follow him fine. If he wanted to
head out on his own, Miller would not stop him. Grudgingly, the
subordinate went along, but his lack of respect for Miller was apparent.
It's interesting to note that at the end, when Miller is dying, it's
that subordinate who is the one who seems to be the most shocked, the
most grief-stricken.
Bill, I'd be interested to know how you use this clip in class.
Donna Cunningham
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Bill Shaw wrote:
>Jeanne,
>Hope you can find good scenes. Good luck. * Give me your thoughts
>on one thing. At
>several conferences, presenters have used one of the scenes I chose
>from "Private Ryan."
>It's the one in which Captain Miller faces a mutiny after one of his
>men is killed. He's
>virtually immobilized; when he speaks, he's essentially
>off-stage. Like a Shakespearean
>thing. He says something like "What's the pot [on me] up to
>now." * What about
>that? I've talked to other presenters; they only agree it's ambiguous.
>
>
>ALSBers. I'm down to the nubbin on these disks now. If you've made
>a request, I'll be
>filled, but . . . let's call a halt. * Also, from some of you I
>need mailing address and phone.
>And, wouldn't hurt to re-up your original email. I may have lost some.
>
>
>
>At 08:37 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote:
>>Bill: I just received the disc and greatly appreciate that. Thanks
>>so very much. Jeanne
>>
>>Jeanne Calderon wrote:
>>
>>>Bill: Since you're sending these out I will add my request as well.
>>>
>>>Prof. Jeanne Calderon
>>>NYU Stern School of Business
>>>40 West 4th Street Room 309
>>>New York, New York 10012
>>>212 998 0043 or 998 0058
>>>
>>>Thanks so much.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Bill Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:06 pm
>>>Subject: B-Law Films
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is wonderful Ellen. I'm doing another batch tonight and
>>>>tomorrow. It'll
>>>>be soon. How are you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 06:38 PM 2/7/2006, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am reluctant to add my name and your extra work to the list,
>>>>but not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>so reluctant that I won't do it! Bill, could I also benefit from
>>>>>whatever arrangement you come to to distribute the clips....:)
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Ellen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ellen R. Peirce
>>>>>Professor of Law and Ethics
>>>>>Kenan-Flagler Business School
>>>>>CB 3490 McColl Building
>>>>>University of North Carolina
>>>>>Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3490
>>>>>Email: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Tel: (919) 962-3208
>>>>>Fax: (919) 962-4425
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Miller, Carol J
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:46 PM
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Re: B-Law Films
>>>>>
>>>>>Also let me know the arrangement regarding the clips.
>>>>>
>>>>>Carol Miller
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Shaw
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:22 PM
>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>Subject: Re: B-Law Films
>>>>>
>>>>>You bet Megan. * This is going to be a freeby from The Red McCombs
>>>>>School. That's Red, Abramoff's pal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 04:34 PM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd like to make a request for the disk as well, and please let me
>>>>>>know the cost - or if there's a better/simpler way for you to
>>>>handle> >these requests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>Megan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Megan Mowrey
>>>>>>Clemson University
>>>>>>College of Business & Behavioral Science
>>>>>>301 Sirrine Hall
>>>>>>Clemson, South Carolina
>>>>>>29634-1303
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 09:08 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please copy me as well. Inform as to cost. Thank you.
>>>>>>>Tom Giordano
>>>>>>>St. John's University (College of Professional Studies)
>>>>>>>8000 Utopia Parkway
>>>>>>>Queens, NY 11439
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>>>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Gray
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:55 AM
>>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: B-Law Films
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please copy me as well. Thank you. John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John A. Gray J.D.
>>>>>>>Professor of Law
>>>>>>>Sellinger School of Business and Managment
>>>>>>>Loyola College in Maryland, SH410
>>>>>>>4501 N. Charles Street
>>>>>>>Baltimore, Maryland 21210
>>>>>>>[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>www.loyola.edu/sellinger/jgray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>[log in to unmask] 2/6/2006 2:19 AM >>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would really love to have that disk. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on
>>>>behalf of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Shaw
>>>>>>>Sent: Sun 2/5/2006 6:16 AM
>>>>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>Subject: B-Law Films
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Keith, I have 10 or so films (and triple that in scenes) from
>>>>movies> >>that I'd have put on a disk for you, or anyone, if you'd
>>>>like. From
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>two you mention
>>>>>>>that are stale, I have 8-10 scenes. Actually, they can't
>>>>really be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>stale unless you have students taking your course over and
>>>>over again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>First day, or
>>>>>>>second, I sometimes begin with Wall Street (Michael Douglas), and
>>>>>>>discuss the virtues of "greed." "Greed is good, it's right,
>>>>it cuts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>through and clarifies
>>>>>>>the . . . {something, something, something} . . . and greed,
>>>>mark my
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>word, with save Teldar Paper, and that other malfunctioning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>corporation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>called the
>>>>>>>United States of America." It was an Oscar winner back in the
>>>>early> >>'90s, and, I'm told, the "greed" speech was tracked from
>>>>Ivan Boesky's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>presentation
>>>>>>>to Stanford MBAs. That may just be a rumor. Anyway, I was known
>>>>>>>around the gym as the Boesky Professor of Business Ethics. *
>>>>>>>
>>>>Film> >>strips of 2-4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>minutes apiece that you may find useful from time to time, but
>>>>never> >>scheduled/syllabused in order to remain within the "fair use"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>provisions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>-- Wall Street,
>>>>>>>The Insider, A Civil Action, Boiler Room, Other People's Money,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>Private
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ryan, Philadelphia, Erin Brockavich, GlenGarry GlenRoss, Kate and
>>>>>>>Leopold,
>>>>>>>Repo Man. Some are sort of special interest - special
>>>>occasion -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>feel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>good clips: Forest Gump, Hackers, Goodfellas, Jerry MaGuire, Half
>>>>>>>Baked. Also,
>>>>>>>a skydive (strictly to impress my grandson), but you need an 8
>>>>page> >>disclaimer to distribute beforehand. Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 02:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I occasionally have students in my Legal Environment
>>>>class> >>analyze business law and ethics issues in feature films.
>>>>I have used
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Insider in the past, but it has been used so often - in not
>>>>only law
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>classes, but also management, ethics, and others - that it has
>>>>grown a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>bit stale for students and professor alike. A Civil Action is also
>>>>>>>beginning to show its wear. Does anyone out there have
>>>>suggestions for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>other good films that raise business law issues?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>>>>>> Keith A. Maxwell
>>>>>>> Nat S. and Marian W. Rogers Professor
>>>>>>> Professor of Legal Studies and Ethics
>>>>>>> School of Business and Leadership
>>>>>>> University of Puget Sound
>>>>>>> Tacoma, WA 98416
>>>>>>> Office Phone: 253.879.3703
>>>>>>> www.ups.edu/faculty/maxwell/home.htm
>>>>>>> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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