i can do either

c


On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:

> Monday morning at 10 am might be better.......
> 
> On 11/11/11 11:44 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> We had one discussion as a cohort on Wednesday morning, concerning
>> hiring. We took a decision based on that discussion. The decision that we
>> took was to request a Lecturer hire for Jody Bates in fiction.
>> 
>> Other ideas are interesting and even opportune, however we have not
>> discussed them as a cohort, nor have we voted on them. We need to be very
>> clear and united in next Thursday's Department meeting. If there really
>> is going to be another proposal then we need to meet again and discuss
>> that proposal together with our extant proposal.
>> 
>> 
>> cris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>> 
>>> Two items, linked and separate.
>>> 
>>> 1)   Kerry just sent along the agenda for the meeting, in which he
>>> states
>>> that hiring proposals will be coming from all three programs.    I know
>>> for certain that Mary Fuller is retiring before next year, with Helane
>>> Androne (from Middletown) taking over as head of OWP.   I believe that
>>> Jean Lutz is also planning to retire, quite possibly before next year as
>>> well.
>>> 2)   I've just returned from acting Dean Calahan's presentation to be
>>> the
>>> Dean, where I spoke to a couple of our colleagues in Lit.   I think
>>> there
>>> would be real support for the idea of a Lit/CW hire, where the watchword
>>> in term of the new form that Phyllis has mandate is justifying the hire
>>> in
>>> terms of need, etc, not just replacement.   A new category within ethnic
>>> literature would be Indigenous Studies.   That couple with someone who
>>> could teach one of the genres in CW that we currently have trouble
>>> staffing--Creative Nonfiction, Screenwriting, for example--would, in my
>>> opinion, stand a good chance of succeeding at the department and college
>>> level.
>>> 
>>>      Having said that, it would certainly need to be presented as in
>>> second
>>> place to a lecturer in fiction.   But I certainly feel that such a case
>>> could and should be made.
>>> 
>>>      Eric
>>> 
>>> On 11/10/11 4:42 PM, "Schloss, David Mr." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Margaret,
>>>> 
>>>> That's the Right Stuff! See my rant on similar themes, but a mite less
>>>> polite. We're drowning rats (or is that, mice?) fighting over crumbs
>>>> while the powers that be luxuriate and laugh at us like (greek) gods
>>>> for
>>>> their sport... I'm glad I'm retiring in 2015. I've had about enough of
>>>> this cringing for crumbs, and fighting amongst programs. If we'd only
>>>> unionized back when... At least the population supports the unions now.
>>>> 
>>>> Rabble Rouser
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Luongo, Margaret M. Ms.
>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> So, we are afraid of PW getting the only tenure track hire in the
>>>> department, after they repeatedly reassured us last year that they
>>>> wouldn't be seeking any tenure-track hires? Maybe we should remind them
>>>> of that. It's true Huatong left, but I think everyone knew she was gone
>>>> before all of the PW paperwork went through. Not sure about that,
>>>> though.
>>>> At any rate, they reassured us they wouldn't need to hire any new
>>>> faculty
>>>> to support their major. They went further, and said that they would
>>>> only
>>>> allow the major to grow as much as it could be supported by the
>>>> resources
>>>> they already had.
>>>> 
>>>> We have to propose a tenure track position, so that the department can
>>>> rank our request higher than theirs? Isn't it possible that the
>>>> department could just vote their proposal down? Or just rank the
>>>> lecture
>>>> position higher than their tenure-track position? Aren't proposing the
>>>> lecture position because we don't think the department will get any
>>>> tenure-track hires?
>>>> 
>>>> I see us losing if we propose both a lectureship and this hybrid
>>>> position. It doesn't really  make sense to say, yes, we need the
>>>> lectureship and the hybrid thing. What if we end up with the hybrid
>>>> thing? I'm open to discussing this. I just have a lot of questions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret Luongo
>>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>>> Department of English
>>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>>> 513-529-5221
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric
>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:53 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, I wish I'd known about this.   There's been a good deal of
>>>> discourse
>>>> on the Lit list I've also been reading, and I'm not sure that the two
>>>> I've mentioned, a lecturer, and the hybrid, are mutually exclusive.
>>>> 
>>>> Part of the issue, is that there needs to be tenure track positions put
>>>> forward by CW, perhaps, and Lit, certainly, otherwise only PW/Comp Rhet
>>>> will be proposing one.
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:46:36 -0500
>>>> To: Faculty
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> imho and in support of Margaret and David here, i did inform the LIt
>>>> cohort of our decision yesterday morning . in response to Kaara's
>>>> question
>>>> 
>>>> x
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> c
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> Date: November 10, 2011 2:35:26 PM EST
>>>> To: "Peterson, Kaara L. Dr."
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>> 
>>>> Breaking cover here, as one who is on the Lit elist and a member of the
>>>> CW cohort .
>>>> 
>>>> i can confirm that we decided at our CW cohort meeting yesterday
>>>> morning
>>>> to press forwards with a request to convert the VAP position, currently
>>>> occupied by Jody Bates, into a lectureship   -   IF we can possibly do
>>>> so. We have also been advised that it might be easier to get another
>>>> VAP
>>>> . . . but i cannot speak to that.
>>>> 
>>>> Under those circumstances it makes good sense for Literature to
>>>> identify
>>>> its most pressing need. As an insider - outsider to the core Literature
>>>> faculty (i teach Lit classes but that is not my foregrounded profile) i
>>>> would support the needs outlined by Tobias here.
>>>> 
>>>> In an ideal world a hybrid hire might seem attractive. However, this is
>>>> far from an ideal world.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> cris
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Peterson, Kaara L. Dr. wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To follow up on Andrew and Tobias, are we even absolutely certain what
>>>> CW
>>>> as a group's priorities are for this hire? Are *they* looking for a
>>>> specific sub-genre, a tenure-track person, etc.?
>>>> 
>>>> If the point is primarily to get a hire out of the dean for the good of
>>>> the whole dept but really primarily for CW, then couldn't we make a
>>>> stronger, united case for a hire if CW tells us first what they want
>>>> prioritized and then we just simply throw all of our support behind it,
>>>> benefitting as we may?
>>>> 
>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Hebard, Andrew Dr.
>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:40 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> I also think that a hybrid position would be great, but am also a bit
>>>> worried about how we are going to cover periods that the current
>>>> organization of our major requires us to cover.  A joint CW/Lit hire
>>>> means
>>>> that we are likely to hire someone working on 20th century literature,
>>>> a
>>>> period that we have pretty well covered.  I am not saying that we
>>>> shouldn't do this, but am wondering how it addresses our current
>>>> staffing
>>>> needs in literature.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/10/11 1:29 PM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I absolutely agree with Mary Jean about the best shot.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corbett, Mary Jean
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:16 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> I think "they" stand a much better chance if they include "us" in a
>>>> more
>>>> than perfunctory way...a cross-program hire is perhaps our collective
>>>> best
>>>> shot!
>>>> mjc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/10/11 1:10 PM, "Kaara Peterson"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I can vote for a CW hire still taking priority this year, however they
>>>> want to
>>>> frame it for their hire. If we benefit, great.
>>>> 
>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Morgan, Susan J. Dr.
>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tobias and everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Please do read that ³template² about hiring from Phyllis via Kerry,
>>>> that I
>>>> sent earlier.
>>>> It is explicit that replacing someone will not be an effective
>>>> argument,  and
>>>> that we need to produce a new statement, with some kind of evidence.
>>>> 
>>>> I would say that so far we have, in order:
>>>> CW/ethnic American literature, particularly Latino/a or
>>>> African/American
>>>> literature (not exactly as a subfield, but Tobais¹s point is good).
>>>> Long eighteenth century, with transatlantic
>>>> Medieval
>>>> 
>>>> And I plan to submit something Monday. Moreover, surely the dept.
>>>> meeting is
>>>> for discussion, not everything already set beforehand.
>>>> Susan
>>>> 
>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> On Behalf Of Menely, Tobias Coyote Dr.
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:31 AM
>>>> To:
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>> 
>>>> I would argue against overly specific hybrid positions. I think it's
>>>> better to
>>>> identify a broad and legible field/period and then add desirable
>>>> subfields
>>>> instead of boxing ourselves in with an overly specific combination. For
>>>> example, the number of people doing 'transatlantic' eighteenth century
>>>> studies
>>>> is much smaller than the number of people working in the long
>>>> eighteenth
>>>> century, so why not seek a hire in the eighteenth century, with
>>>> Romanticism
>>>> and/or transatlanticism as a desirable subfield? Similarly, why not
>>>> search for
>>>> a fiction writer, but add as a desirable subfield ethnic American
>>>> literature?
>>>> 
>>>> Tobias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Corbett, Mary Jean wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That¹s what I had in mind, esp the two former...mjc
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/10/11 9:46 AM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>> 
>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><x-msg://141/morgansj@mu
>>>> oh
>>>> io.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Eric has just pointed out that some sort of lit/cw hire would be
>>>> fabulous if
>>>> the field were latina/a or african american lit, perhaps even creative
>>>> non-fiction, though the latter may be being too precise. S
>>> 
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