Yeah, it's strange. I talked to someone in the Registrar's office about it last year. I would never have guessed such a thing is possible. I filed it away in the enormous folder marked "Things that Don't Make Sense at Miami University."


Margaret Luongo
Associate Professor, Creative Writing
Department of English
356 Bachelor Hall
Oxford, OH 45056
513-529-5221
________________________________________
From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Creative writing internship sponsor

This is going to be credit/no credit.

I hadn't realized that students could do "0 credit" over the summer.
Really?   I'd advised them all along to do 1 credit to save money.

Eric

On 12/6/11 7:31 PM, "Luongo, Margaret M. Ms." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Just for some perspective on the internship business: if this is being
>done credit/no-credit then the person sponsoring the internship doesn't
>have to evaluate the work the student produces. The student will fulfill
>the terms of the English Department's contract--bi-weekly reflections on
>the experience, a reflection paper at the end, the supervisor's
>evaluation of the intern's performance, and the intern's evaluation of
>the experience. In this case, the students just need someone to sign off
>on the whole thing, in order to receive credit. This is becoming more and
>more prevalent because more and more businesses are not paying interns,
>which is illegal, unless the student gets academic credit.
>
>FYI--students can register for 0 credit hours (that's right, zero) over
>the summer so that they won't have to pay in order to work. They still
>get academic credit (somehow) but they don't have to pay for credit
>hours. During the semester that's not an issue because they're taking
>full loads already.
>
>If I were evaluating student work I would want to be sure that I'm
>qualified to do so; but if I'm just supervising the internship experience
>then that's a different story.
>
>--Margaret
>
>Margaret Luongo
>Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>Department of English
>356 Bachelor Hall
>Oxford, OH 45056
>513-529-5221
>________________________________________
>From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of cris cheek [[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:39 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Creative writing internship sponsor
>
>I'm not sure i agree Cathy . i mean Sara could easily have approached any
>of us in CW but for her own reason chose not to do that. I does depend on
>what she will be being asked to do . IF she's doing marketing and copy
>editing (for example) somebody in PW and TW might well be better to offer
>advice . . . if she's generating other kinds of materials (a brochure,
>for example) or helping to devise an image / ethos for the OCAC in print
>then that might be more appropriate for us in CW . I still see English as
>the overall department;=) LIkewise there are people far more skilled in
>the areas of Marketing that anybody in English, for example in IMS.
>
>i don't see this as a matter of utility or inutility at all . i see it as
>the best advice for the kind of work . I was extremely happy to mentor
>Claire Keys designing book covers, for example . and she went on to get a
>good job in publishing. This particular internship doesn't look like
>Creative Writing, unless the OCAC is going to give her license.
>
>fwiw IF i were not teaching a course more than i ought to be next
>semester i'd volunteer, just to help out . not because i think i'd be the
>best person with the best experience . but the Altman is going to be
>major, together with the grad workshop and a completely new class to boot
>next semester
>
>cris
>
>
>
>On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Cathy Wagner wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe, but our majors get all sorts of jobs; I think it's not
>>inappropriate that we mentor them as they prepare for them (unless we
>>want to separate "creative" writing entirely from any hope of utility --
>>in which case we should send all our majors to Professional Writing
>>right now!).
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sender: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>><[log in to unmask]>
>> Date:         Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:08:18
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>              <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Creative writing internship sponsor
>>
>> I have to say that this does look to me very much like a Technical
>>Writing and or Professional Writing internship.
>>
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Luongo, Margaret M. Ms. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Cathy-
>>>
>>> I don't know Sara but if you're swamped I don't mind doing this. Just
>>>let me know.
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> Margaret Luongo
>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>> Department of English
>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>> 513-529-5221
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cathy Wagner
>>>[[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:12 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Fwd: Creative writing internship sponsor
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Jean Lutz wonders whether one of us would be willing to sponsor Sara
>>>Martin, a CW major, for an internship she's already set up -- see
>>>below. Effort would be minimal (form-signing, a short evaluation,
>>>awarding a grade).
>>>
>>> I would be glad to do it, but thought one of you might know Sara and
>>>her work and be a better mentor for her. If so, please write Sara and
>>>cc me within 24 hours. If I don't hear from anyone by then, I'll take
>>>it on.
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Lutz, Jean Ann Dr. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: Creative writing internship sponsor
>>> To: "Wagner, Cathy" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathy, Here¹s the email I sent yesterday.  I must have had the wrong
>>>email address for you. I hope you will be able to work with this
>>>student. If you, or others on the CW faculty, cannot work with Sara,
>>>send her back to me‹and I¹ll be glad to give it my all.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best, Jean
>>>
>>> P. S.  It is the Community Arts Center.  I WAS paying attention, I
>>>swear!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Creative Writing Colleagues:
>>>
>>> First, I wish to apologize if I¹ve overlooked any members of the
>>>creative writing faculty in the above list.
>>>
>>> Second, I wish to request your assistance in helping a student.
>>>
>>> On Friday, Sara Martin, a creative writing major, was introduced to me
>>>by Patrick Murphy as a student who wished to do an internship.  When I
>>>talked with her, I found out that she will be working with someone at
>>>the Community Arts Center to create marketing materials.  Because she
>>>would be working as an editor, I suggested that she speak with
>>>Katherine (Durack)--who is teaching an editing course in the spring.  I
>>>did not even think about her major.
>>>
>>> Subsequently, Sara wrote the following message to Katherine, who
>>>realized that someone in creative writing would be a better sponsor for
>>>Sara...so I¹m passing the message below on to you.  If you are
>>>interested in working with her, you can contact her directly at the
>>>email below.  If not, you could let me know of your interest since I
>>>told Sara that I would help her find a sponsor.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,  Jean
>>>
>>> Here¹s Sara¹s message to Katherine:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Sara Martin. I recently received notification that I have
>>>been approved to complete an internship next semester. I just received
>>>all the paperwork today from Patrick Murphy. He sent me to talk with
>>>Jean Lutz about possible faculty members who may be interested in being
>>>my internship sponsor, and she gave me your name. If you are unable to
>>>do so, I understand, but if you would be interested in sponsoring,
>>>please let me know. I would love to meet with you and discuss all the
>>>information I have about my internship, but here are the basics:
>>>
>>> My internship is at the Oxford Community Arts Center. From my
>>>discussions with my boss-to-be (Caroline Croswell), I understand that I
>>>will be doing some editing work (press releases, advertisements, ect.),
>>>possibly creating a marketing/advertising proposal for the upcoming
>>>year, and doing basic office work.
>>>
>>> If you would like to meet, I am available for brief periods on Monday
>>>from 10:50-11:10, or 4:10-4:30 (between classes, sorry for the strange
>>>times), as well as almost all day on Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your consideration,
>>>
>>> Sara Kelsey Martin
>>> Creative Writing Major
>>> English Literature Major
>>> Student Aide, Bursar's Office
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]<http://muohio.edu>>
>>> (513) 255-3715<tel:%28513%29%20255-3715>Dr. Jean Lutz
>>> Associate Professor, English Department
>>> Miami University
>>> 378 Bachelor Hall
>>> Oxford, OH  45056
>>> (513) 529-5221<tel:%28513%29%20529-5221> (main office)
>>> FAX 513-5291392<tel:513-5291392>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Jean Lutz
>>> Associate Professor, English Department
>>> Miami University
>>> 378 Bachelor Hall
>>> Oxford, OH  45056
>>> (513) 529-5221<tel:%28513%29%20529-5221> (main office)
>>> FAX 513-5291392<tel:513-5291392>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Catherine Wagner
>>> Associate Professor
>>> English Dept
>>> Miami University
>>> 314 Bachelor Hall
>>> Oxford OH 45056
>>>
>>> 513-529-3828 (my office)
>>> 513-529-5221 (main office)
>>> 513-529-1392 fax
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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