I agree that a full conversation is going to take more than an hour, but
let's take advantage of the time that we all seem to have, and begin at
2:00 pm on the 7th?
I'd certainly invite perspectives from adjuncts. I'm of mixed minds about
students but if others would like to open it that widely, sure.
On 1/30/12 9:54 AM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>How widely do we spread this conversation? For example, if we are working
>on the wiki, ought we to invite perspectives / comments from adjuncts??
>Ought we to solicit feedback / conversation from Graduate Students?
>Undergraduate Students?
>
>
>x
>
>
>cris
>
>
>On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:45 AM, cris cheek wrote:
>
>> okay . i must boil my head for teaching . but wiki up!
>>
>> cris
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Schloss, David Mr. wrote:
>>
>>> Dear cris,
>>>
>>> Not to ruin your supposition about minorities of one, or to ruin all
>>>our Tuesday afternoons, I don't know how long we'll need, but confining
>>>it to an hour is most likely not nearly enough, I agree.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of cris cheek
>>>[[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:02 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Runaway Bender
>>>
>>> and i am serious in saying that i think we need more than an hour in
>>>order to really get down into conversation in a relaxed and open way
>>>
>>> i know i'll probably be in a minority of one but . . an hour is not
>>>long enough
>>>
>>> c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Luongo, Margaret M. Ms. wrote:
>>>
>>>> We haven't made a decision about time yet--not everyone has responded.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Margaret Luongo
>>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>>> Department of English
>>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>>> 513-529-5221
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Schloss, David Mr.
>>>>[[log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:40 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Runaway Bender
>>>>
>>>> Runaway Benders,
>>>>
>>>> Eric's points here, as always, are well taken.
>>>>
>>>> Is there perhaps another, even better time we might schedule so as to
>>>>be inclusive of everyone in CW from all campuses. We decided
>>>>anecdotally rather than in a formal way with grid. Perhaps everyone
>>>>planning to attend has already made plans to be able to do so, and
>>>>it's hard to consider changing now...
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melbye, Eric Dr.
>>>>[[log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:15 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Runaway Bender
>>>>
>>>> CW Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will be teaching at this time, so cannot attend the retreat,
>>>>unfortunately. But if I understand the goal of this runaway bender
>>>>correctlyto discuss a collective vision for the dept/programthen
>>>>itıs of great importance to me personally, as well as to the creative
>>>>writing "program" on the regionals, such as it is. If this retreat's
>>>>purpose is truly to define a collective vision for the future of MU's
>>>>Creative Writing Department, I would hope it would keep in mind the
>>>>presence and especially the potential of Creative Writing on the
>>>>regional campuses as well as at Oxford.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gempesawıs plan to create a new academic division on the regionals
>>>>may complicate the CW Deptıs vision for the future. Currently, the CW
>>>>program on the regionals serves as a gateway to the CW degree at
>>>>Oxford, or as a resource for (primarily Education major) students who
>>>>need course credit. Gempesawıs plan, or at least my limited
>>>>understanding of it, could possibly alter the landscape of English
>>>>course offerings on the regionals significantly, including our ability
>>>>to offer CW courses on the regionals. But Iım not writing now to lobby
>>>>against Gempesawıs planI donıt know enough about it. Iım only
>>>>mentioning it because it could, or maybe should, impact the
>>>>discussions at the CW retreat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of Gempesawıs plans, it seems to me that the regional
>>>>campuses could be more productively ³exploited² by the CW Dept than
>>>>they currently are. I think it's important for CW to attempt to stay
>>>>ahead of the curve as much as possible. If the CW Dept is retreating
>>>>in order to revision and reposition itself for future success, I'd
>>>>humbly suggest thinking broad and big. What do we want CW to be/do
>>>>university-wide? How might the CW Dept leverage current resources to
>>>>situate the CW Dept in a position of strength for the long term across
>>>>all campuses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As one quick example, just off the top of my head: On the
>>>>regionalsor at least at MUMI sense an increasingly strong push for
>>>>online courses and e-learning in general. Could that be something for
>>>>the CW Dept to plan ahead for? In addition: What new pedagogies are
>>>>out there that we might explore to keep our program as up-to-date as
>>>>possible? (Maybe there are hallway discussions of CW pedagogy, but why
>>>>isnıt there a central, easily accessible site online where such
>>>>discussions take place?) What literary genres are gaining ground at
>>>>other universities that we ought to consider offering as courses in
>>>>order to keep pace, or to move ahead of them? What current or
>>>>potential courses could be offered across the campuses in order to
>>>>further the ³reach² of CW university-wide? Thinking even bigger, are
>>>>there degree offerings that we could createsuch as a PhD in CW
>>>>Pedagogy, for examplethat might leverage the strengths/resources of
>>>>faculty across the campuses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Faculty Assembly at MUM is meeting soon to discuss a draft of a
>>>>letter to the provost and regional dean regarding MUM facultyıs
>>>>concerns over the plan to create a new school/division on the regional
>>>>campuses. Personally, one thing I love about this letter is how
>>>>strongly it emphasizes the ideal that we are One University, not
>>>>several scattered campuses related in name only. At this point, it
>>>>doesnıt appear to me that the plan for a new academic school/division
>>>>on the regionals is open to discussion. All we can do is figure out
>>>>how to make it work to our advantage, although we know very little
>>>>about the plan itself. Consequently, as the CW Dept meets to formulate
>>>>a vision for its future, I strongly urge everyone involved in the
>>>>discussion to keep the entire university in mind. As an idealist, I
>>>>like to think there are opportunities for CW growth, here, if plans
>>>>are made with wise forethought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>> _______________________________
>>>> Eric Melbye
>>>> Associate Professor, English/Creative Writing
>>>> Miami University Middletown
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tuma, Keith W.
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:48 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Runaway Bender
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2:30-3:30 works for me on Feb 7, and I'd like to be a part of this
>>>>
>>>> discussion if you all don't mind, but please start earlier without me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David, for what it's worth the RCM budget model being discussed (with
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>> committee report and open forums to follow this spring; then a shadow
>>>>
>>>> budget next year with tweaking to follow examination of the results
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>> introduction the year after next) will count as revenue for the
>>>>division
>>>>
>>>> (= the cost center) courses taught by instructors in CAS and taken by
>>>>
>>>> students with a major in FSB or other divisions. No "leeching off us"
>>>>
>>>> allowed then. The finer points concerning how revenue will be
>>>>calculated
>>>>
>>>> (the weighting of upper division courses, of numbers of majors as
>>>>well as
>>>>
>>>> hours of instruction since maintaining a major means other costs) are
>>>>
>>>> still under discussion, and the committee charged with presenting
>>>>
>>>> recommendations is only beginning discussion of the cost side.I could
>>>>
>>>> summarize some of the conversations to date since I hear about them
>>>>from a
>>>>
>>>> chair on the committee, but it's better to wait until more is settled
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>> a report is presented for public discussion. (I'm not sure at this
>>>>point
>>>>
>>>> how ICA will fit in the picture, but you can be sure that I am
>>>>interested
>>>>
>>>> in that question.) I can also assure you that the dean is working
>>>>hard to
>>>>
>>>> protect the interests of CAS and liberal education--and the English
>>>>
>>>> Department. She'll be a strong voice in the Council of Academic Deans
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>> the committee's recommendations are reviewed there. Which is not to
>>>>say
>>>>
>>>> that the department shouldn't be thinking about its future--its
>>>>curriculum
>>>>
>>>> and enrollments, its student recruitment and its pr and various other
>>>>
>>>> matters. The Literature faculty is off to a promising start following
>>>>
>>>> their retreat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/28/12 3:53 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tues 7th at 2 is good for me
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> x
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> c
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Schloss, David Mr. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Tues Feb 7 at 32: I believe a very important meeting I have
>>>>>>scheduled
>>>>
>>>>>> in Cinti will be over in time for me to make that, much as I hate
>>>>
>>>>>> driving in extra to do so.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I hope it's not all just fanciful thinking that comes to nothing
>>>>
>>>>>> practical: I think we need to assess the realities and fight for
>>>>>>what we
>>>>
>>>>>> can agree on about what we need and can really get. Visions of the
>>>>
>>>>>> future are moot without any practical support for them in hiring,
>>>>
>>>>>> assistantships, etc, I believe. I hope Dean Callahan will really
>>>>>>support
>>>>
>>>>>> English and Liberal Arts against Business-model running of this
>>>>>>place by
>>>>
>>>>>> Provosts, etc.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The other colleges at MU are leeching off us for coverage of things
>>>>
>>>>>> they brag about, but offer no trickle down, even (esp Business) to
>>>>
>>>>>> support this comparatively sweat shop labor, partly on their
>>>>>>behalf, or
>>>>
>>>>>> at least to their benefit. We also support the athletic dept's
>>>>>>losses of
>>>>
>>>>>> $14/year. Until academics and a liberal education are restored to
>>>>>>some
>>>>
>>>>>> respected core in Miami's mission for itself, any fantasies for the
>>>>
>>>>>> future of the dept will remain mostly fantasies, or conducted on the
>>>>
>>>>>> paradigm of what we don't have to jettison over the side of the
>>>>
>>>>>> lifeboat. I prefer to get off (as I've said before) this Raft of the
>>>>
>>>>>> Medusa. Expect further erosion of Literature at the expense of
>>>>
>>>>>> "practical" money-making programs in the future. The way of all
>>>>>>liberal
>>>>
>>>>>> arts schools...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> For openers,
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric
>>>>
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:17 PM
>>>>
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Runaway Bender
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> How about Tuesday Feb 7th at 2 pm?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Wagner, Cathy"
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:05:11 -0500
>>>>
>>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Of Eric's dates below (I think his was the most recent message --
>>>>>>David
>>>>
>>>>>> must not have seen that cris can't make the 6th) I can make
>>>>>>Tuesday, Jan
>>>>
>>>>>> 31 or Tuesday, Feb 7, at these times: 11am-12pm, 2-3:30pm. I can
>>>>>>also
>>>>
>>>>>> arrange a sitter and we can meet at 6pm or so on one of those two
>>>>
>>>>>> Tuesday evenings, though if possible I'd rather not because I
>>>>>>travel out
>>>>
>>>>>> the next day.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, those are the only dates I can make, it's a crazy Feb. I will
>>>>
>>>>>> understand if I have to be left out of this one, though I'd very
>>>>>>much
>>>>
>>>>>> like to be there.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Goodman, Eric
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I can do Tues or Wednesday this coming week
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Tuesday-Thursday (7-9)
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Tuesday-Sunday 14-19th.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It might be good to try to finish our Runaway before the second
>>>>
>>>>>> department meeting about this, on the 15th.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:37:28 -0500
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Mondays i teach from 1 through 6.45
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> i CAN do Tuesday through Sunday this coming week (Jan 31st - Fen
>>>>>>5th)
>>>>
>>>>>> and Tuesday through Thursday the following week (7-9) and Tuesday
>>>>
>>>>>> through Sunday the week after that (14th-19th).
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy to break into the weekends if need be.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I DO think that we need an open conversation to hear the
>>>>>>out-of-the-box
>>>>
>>>>>> thinking
>>>>
>>>>>> and then we will probably almost all agree to discount such
>>>>>>thinking .
>>>>
>>>>>> but i think we
>>>>
>>>>>> need to do such thinking and to share such thoughts
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> x
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> cris
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> How about Monday the 6th? I don't think this will take us very
>>>>>>long.
>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe 1-2 hours. Could be my house or a bar.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:29:31 -0500
>>>>
>>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I will be at Interrupt in Providence . sorry
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> http://literalart.net/schedule/
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> x
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> cris
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Okay. So how about anytime Friday the 10th or Saturday the 11th?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Let's share preferences for our Runaway Bender.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/28/12 2:00 PM, "Luongo, Margaret M. Ms."
>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> How about "bender" or "Lost Weekend"?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Margaret Luongo
>>>>
>>>>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>>>
>>>>>> Department of English
>>>>
>>>>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>>>
>>>>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>>>
>>>>>> 513-529-5221<tel:513-529-5221>
>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On
>>>>
>>>>>> Behalf Of cris cheek [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:22 PM
>>>>
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> i like the sound of that
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't we call it a Runaway?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mail
>>>>>>to:M
>>>>
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:15:41 -0500
>>>>
>>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><mail
>>>>>>to:M
>>>>
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> HI,
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> i hesitate to mention the dreaded word retreat
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> but i think we ought to be having one.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> cris
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>>> Catherine Wagner
>>>>
>>>>>> Associate Professor of English
>>>>
>>>>>> Assistant Director, Literary London Program
>>>>
>>>>>> Miami University
>>>>
>>>>>> 314 Bachelor Hall
>>>>
>>>>>> Oxford OH 45056
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 513-529-3828 (my office)
>>>>
>>>>>> 513-529-5221 (main office)
>>>>
>>>>>> 513-529-1392 fax
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Office hours: 2:15-3:15pm Tu-Th, 1:45-2:45 W
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