I can make Monday at 10 am.
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From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:36:26
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Subject: Re: Hiring
Yes. Monday is good. Of course we need to know that the Lit cohort are on board with whatever we discuss too? There's not much point in us dreaming something up that they do not have time to respond to. We ignore the diversity of the Lit cohort at our peril. Perhaps the Lit cohort could make some proposals of possible fields to us??
Really this whole business ought to have got going a couple of weeks ago. We wought to be meeting together with them.
There clearly are at least two strong hiring priorities being favored in Lit at present. There is general agreement about an 18th century hire. Then there are some who favor making a second proposal that could be a hybrid hire. Some favor ranking, in that order, some favor an open rank.
Some confusion is introduced by arguments in favor of diversity--minority hires . something that I favor. But I also get confused because it seems to me that all hires can be minority--diversity hires. I would argue that the true test of diversity would be to hire across normal expectation in every field, in other words to hire Islamic medievalists and so on ( a hire that would make a great deal of sense) . . and i'm also critical of such tendencies in myself by shying aware from trying to engineer or solicit exotic niche combinations that could become too narrow or isolated within the overall department fabric. To whit my sense that we need a big department-wide conversation about what kind of department we want to be and need to be by 2025.
cris
On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:59 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
> Well, it should probably be Monday, so that if we end up thinking about
> something hybrid with Lit, we can convey that to them.
>
> On 11/11/11 11:55 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> i can do either
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>
>>> Monday morning at 10 am might be better.......
>>>
>>> On 11/11/11 11:44 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We had one discussion as a cohort on Wednesday morning, concerning
>>>> hiring. We took a decision based on that discussion. The decision that
>>>> we
>>>> took was to request a Lecturer hire for Jody Bates in fiction.
>>>>
>>>> Other ideas are interesting and even opportune, however we have not
>>>> discussed them as a cohort, nor have we voted on them. We need to be
>>>> very
>>>> clear and united in next Thursday's Department meeting. If there really
>>>> is going to be another proposal then we need to meet again and discuss
>>>> that proposal together with our extant proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two items, linked and separate.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Kerry just sent along the agenda for the meeting, in which he
>>>>> states
>>>>> that hiring proposals will be coming from all three programs. I
>>>>> know
>>>>> for certain that Mary Fuller is retiring before next year, with Helane
>>>>> Androne (from Middletown) taking over as head of OWP. I believe that
>>>>> Jean Lutz is also planning to retire, quite possibly before next year
>>>>> as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> 2) I've just returned from acting Dean Calahan's presentation to be
>>>>> the
>>>>> Dean, where I spoke to a couple of our colleagues in Lit. I think
>>>>> there
>>>>> would be real support for the idea of a Lit/CW hire, where the
>>>>> watchword
>>>>> in term of the new form that Phyllis has mandate is justifying the
>>>>> hire
>>>>> in
>>>>> terms of need, etc, not just replacement. A new category within
>>>>> ethnic
>>>>> literature would be Indigenous Studies. That couple with someone who
>>>>> could teach one of the genres in CW that we currently have trouble
>>>>> staffing--Creative Nonfiction, Screenwriting, for example--would, in
>>>>> my
>>>>> opinion, stand a good chance of succeeding at the department and
>>>>> college
>>>>> level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, it would certainly need to be presented as in
>>>>> second
>>>>> place to a lecturer in fiction. But I certainly feel that such a
>>>>> case
>>>>> could and should be made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/11 4:42 PM, "Schloss, David Mr." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Margaret,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the Right Stuff! See my rant on similar themes, but a mite
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> polite. We're drowning rats (or is that, mice?) fighting over crumbs
>>>>>> while the powers that be luxuriate and laugh at us like (greek) gods
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> their sport... I'm glad I'm retiring in 2015. I've had about enough
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> this cringing for crumbs, and fighting amongst programs. If we'd only
>>>>>> unionized back when... At least the population supports the unions
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rabble Rouser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Luongo, Margaret M. Ms.
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we are afraid of PW getting the only tenure track hire in the
>>>>>> department, after they repeatedly reassured us last year that they
>>>>>> wouldn't be seeking any tenure-track hires? Maybe we should remind
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> of that. It's true Huatong left, but I think everyone knew she was
>>>>>> gone
>>>>>> before all of the PW paperwork went through. Not sure about that,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> At any rate, they reassured us they wouldn't need to hire any new
>>>>>> faculty
>>>>>> to support their major. They went further, and said that they would
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> allow the major to grow as much as it could be supported by the
>>>>>> resources
>>>>>> they already had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have to propose a tenure track position, so that the department
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> rank our request higher than theirs? Isn't it possible that the
>>>>>> department could just vote their proposal down? Or just rank the
>>>>>> lecture
>>>>>> position higher than their tenure-track position? Aren't proposing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> lecture position because we don't think the department will get any
>>>>>> tenure-track hires?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see us losing if we propose both a lectureship and this hybrid
>>>>>> position. It doesn't really make sense to say, yes, we need the
>>>>>> lectureship and the hybrid thing. What if we end up with the hybrid
>>>>>> thing? I'm open to discussing this. I just have a lot of questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margaret Luongo
>>>>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>>>>> Department of English
>>>>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>>>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>>>>> 513-529-5221
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:53 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I wish I'd known about this. There's been a good deal of
>>>>>> discourse
>>>>>> on the Lit list I've also been reading, and I'm not sure that the two
>>>>>> I've mentioned, a lecturer, and the hybrid, are mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the issue, is that there needs to be tenure track positions
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> forward by CW, perhaps, and Lit, certainly, otherwise only PW/Comp
>>>>>> Rhet
>>>>>> will be proposing one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:46:36 -0500
>>>>>> To: Faculty
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> imho and in support of Margaret and David here, i did inform the LIt
>>>>>> cohort of our decision yesterday morning . in response to Kaara's
>>>>>> question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> x
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>> Date: November 10, 2011 2:35:26 PM EST
>>>>>> To: "Peterson, Kaara L. Dr."
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Breaking cover here, as one who is on the Lit elist and a member of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> CW cohort .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i can confirm that we decided at our CW cohort meeting yesterday
>>>>>> morning
>>>>>> to press forwards with a request to convert the VAP position,
>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> occupied by Jody Bates, into a lectureship - IF we can possibly
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> so. We have also been advised that it might be easier to get another
>>>>>> VAP
>>>>>> . . . but i cannot speak to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under those circumstances it makes good sense for Literature to
>>>>>> identify
>>>>>> its most pressing need. As an insider - outsider to the core
>>>>>> Literature
>>>>>> faculty (i teach Lit classes but that is not my foregrounded
>>>>>> profile) i
>>>>>> would support the needs outlined by Tobias here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an ideal world a hybrid hire might seem attractive. However, this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> far from an ideal world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Peterson, Kaara L. Dr. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To follow up on Andrew and Tobias, are we even absolutely certain
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> CW
>>>>>> as a group's priorities are for this hire? Are *they* looking for a
>>>>>> specific sub-genre, a tenure-track person, etc.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the point is primarily to get a hire out of the dean for the good
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the whole dept but really primarily for CW, then couldn't we make a
>>>>>> stronger, united case for a hire if CW tells us first what they want
>>>>>> prioritized and then we just simply throw all of our support behind
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> benefitting as we may?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> ]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Hebard, Andrew Dr.
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:40 PM
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also think that a hybrid position would be great, but am also a bit
>>>>>> worried about how we are going to cover periods that the current
>>>>>> organization of our major requires us to cover. A joint CW/Lit hire
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> that we are likely to hire someone working on 20th century
>>>>>> literature,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> period that we have pretty well covered. I am not saying that we
>>>>>> shouldn't do this, but am wondering how it addresses our current
>>>>>> staffing
>>>>>> needs in literature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/11 1:29 PM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I absolutely agree with Mary Jean about the best shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corbett, Mary
>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:16 PM
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think "they" stand a much better chance if they include "us" in a
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> than perfunctory way...a cross-program hire is perhaps our collective
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> shot!
>>>>>> mjc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/11 1:10 PM, "Kaara Peterson"
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can vote for a CW hire still taking priority this year, however
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> frame it for their hire. If we benefit, great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all best, Kaara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> ]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Morgan, Susan J. Dr.
>>>>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tobias and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do read that ³template² about hiring from Phyllis via Kerry,
>>>>>> that I
>>>>>> sent earlier.
>>>>>> It is explicit that replacing someone will not be an effective
>>>>>> argument, and
>>>>>> that we need to produce a new statement, with some kind of evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say that so far we have, in order:
>>>>>> CW/ethnic American literature, particularly Latino/a or
>>>>>> African/American
>>>>>> literature (not exactly as a subfield, but Tobais¹s point is good).
>>>>>> Long eighteenth century, with transatlantic
>>>>>> Medieval
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I plan to submit something Monday. Moreover, surely the dept.
>>>>>> meeting is
>>>>>> for discussion, not everything already set beforehand.
>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Menely, Tobias Coyote Dr.
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:31 AM
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would argue against overly specific hybrid positions. I think it's
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> identify a broad and legible field/period and then add desirable
>>>>>> subfields
>>>>>> instead of boxing ourselves in with an overly specific combination.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> example, the number of people doing 'transatlantic' eighteenth
>>>>>> century
>>>>>> studies
>>>>>> is much smaller than the number of people working in the long
>>>>>> eighteenth
>>>>>> century, so why not seek a hire in the eighteenth century, with
>>>>>> Romanticism
>>>>>> and/or transatlanticism as a desirable subfield? Similarly, why not
>>>>>> search for
>>>>>> a fiction writer, but add as a desirable subfield ethnic American
>>>>>> literature?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tobias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Corbett, Mary Jean wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That¹s what I had in mind, esp the two former...mjc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/11 9:46 AM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><x-msg://141/morgansj@
>>>>>> mu
>>>>>> oh
>>>>>> io.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric has just pointed out that some sort of lit/cw hire would be
>>>>>> fabulous if
>>>>>> the field were latina/a or african american lit, perhaps even
>>>>>> creative
>>>>>> non-fiction, though the latter may be being too precise. S
>>>>>
>>>
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