I beg your pardon. My father was reared in small-town FL Panhandle,
my mother in a farm in central MS. I was taught by example and correction
that pen and pin were not pronounced as homophones. I rather believe that
my parents and I should be considered Southerners; the old joke was "I was
21 before I learned that you did not spell Yankee with a little 'd.'
Yes, I have held on to my Southern accent and vocabulary although I remain
cognizant of the five clocks.
Yes, 'peen' is part of ball peen hammer to me and I have heard the slight
schwa after 'pen' but not after 'pin.' As a phonetician, I always had an
ear for dialectal speech--and used the IPA to record my youngest daughter's
speech for the first two years. After that, I heard nothing unusual.
My phonetic problem as a youth was the textbook explanation that the sound
was that of singer--not finger--which had exactly the same end sound to me.
My folks could not help me on that one.
N. Scott Catledge, PhD/STD
Professor Emeritus
history & languages
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:16:02 -0400
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: fonetik
My inland-Southern native dialect uses something like "pea-yun" (out of
context, it would be hard to distinguish from the inland Southern
present participle of a colloquial verb referring to urination). I have
seen phonics texts for early elementary ed that use "pen" as the primary
example word for "short e" -- an example which won't be at all useful
for any Southerner.=20
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
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Subject: fonetik
At 02:13 p.m. 18/08/2009, Edmond Wright wrote:
> > The trouble with 'fonetik' spelling is, of course, is indicated=20
> by what Seth
>Katz says about the Southerner's 'peen' for 'pen', for the result=20
>would be that
>everyone would write their own accent.
DD: All the Suthroners around me think a peen is part of a ball peen=20
hammer, or the using of it. Pen is pronounced pen-uh. The 'e' is=20
close to the sound of 'Eh?" The n is not unusual for all of us=20
English speakers, but the suffix 'uh' is. I am not sure, but I think=20
we add it to all words ending in a consonant. Just thought of that.=20
We do tend to stick a lot of schwas in where they are just word=20
extenders. It is sort of like we were getting paid by the syllables=20
and not the words.=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:28:54 -0700
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Still Doing It Right
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There is a 905-word Op-Ed piece in today's paper, written by=A0Henry Kissin=
ger, in which=A0there is a single 'had' and it is a blooper.
=A0
Nonetheless, it provides further evidence to refute Susan's claim that if n=
o one does it right, it must be wrong. She did not stay around long enough =
for me to show=A0her that lots of people do it right, including Henry, who =
is, by any standard, a wonderful manipulator of our language.
=A0
Rebalancing Relations With China
.
By Henry A. Kissinger, Wednesday, August 19, 2009=20
.
For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by acceptance=
of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled with America's =
appetite for consumer goods (had sent)=A0sent enormous amounts of dollars t=
o China, which, in turn, China lent back to us for still more buying.
=A0
That's the only 'had' there is -- right, wrong, or indifferent=A0-- in the =
whole article.=20
=A0
Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. Lots of people do it right.
=A0
It should be taught the right way, not the wrong way.
=A0
.brad.19aug09.=A0=0A=0A=0A
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>There is a=
905-word Op-Ed piece in today's paper, written by Henry Kissinger, in=
which there is a single 'had' and it is a blooper.</FONT></STRONG></D=
IV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>Nonetheless, it provides further evidenc=
e to refute Susan's claim that if no one does it right, it must be wrong. S=
he did not stay around long enough for me to show her that lots of peo=
ple do it right, including Henry, who is, by any standard, a wonderful mani=
pulator of our language.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D3>Rebalancing Relations With China<BR>.</FONT></S=
TRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D-1>By <STRONG>Henry A. Kissinger, </STRONG>Wednesday, Aug=
ust 19, 2009 <BR>.</DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV>For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by accep=
tance of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled with Ameri=
ca's appetite for consumer goods <FONT color=3D#c00000>(</FONT><STRONG>had =
sent</STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>) <STRONG><U>sent</U></STRONG></FON=
T> enormous amounts of dollars to China, which, in turn, China lent back to=
us for still more buying.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>That's the only 'had' there is -- right,=
wrong, or indifferent -- in the whole article. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. Lot=
s of people do it right.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000>It should be taught the right way, not t=
he wrong way.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c00000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:06:41 -0600
From: Bruce Despain <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
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Brad,
I don't know why I'm so stupid to reply to your comments. I know certain s=
peakers of English will not understand the point of view that Kissinger int=
ends to comply with in his use of "had." No matter how many times they may=
be told that there are dialects that accept the past perfect form in such =
a context, they must always prescriptively praise their own dialect as the =
only correct one. I understood Henry perfectly as he seems to be communica=
ting with this form the same way I would make the attempt. For many months=
, this listserve was sustained by over 300 interested English teachers. Th=
eir appetite for a healthy discussion of relevant issues had made it a good=
resource of information and pedagogical strategies, which you have no doub=
t also enjoyed. Perhaps the current downturn in readership can be traced t=
o certain repetitive observations of dialect differences that do not go awa=
y, but are maintained as the only correct versions.
Bruce
________________________________
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U] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Still Doing It Right
There is a 905-word Op-Ed piece in today's paper, written by Henry Kissinge=
r, in which there is a single 'had' and it is a blooper.
Nonetheless, it provides further evidence to refute Susan's claim that if n=
o one does it right, it must be wrong. She did not stay around long enough =
for me to show her that lots of people do it right, including Henry, who is=
, by any standard, a wonderful manipulator of our language.
Rebalancing Relations With China
.
By Henry A. Kissinger, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
.
For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by acceptance=
of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled with America's =
appetite for consumer goods (had sent) sent enormous amounts of dollars to =
China, which, in turn, China lent back to us for still more buying.
That's the only 'had' there is -- right, wrong, or indifferent -- in the wh=
ole article.
Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. Lots of people do it right.
It should be taught the right way, not the wrong way.
.brad.19aug09.
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ems to be communicating with this form the
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rve was sustained by over 300 interested English teachers. Their appe=
tite for a healthy discussion of relevant issues had made it a good re=
source of information and pedagogical strategies, which
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<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">There is a 905-word Op-Ed piece in tod=
ay's paper, written by Henry Kissinger, in which there is a singl=
e 'had' and it is a blooper.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">Nonetheless, it provides further evide=
nce to refute Susan's claim that if no one does it right, it must be wrong.=
She did not stay around long enough for me to show her that lots of p=
eople do it right, including Henry, who
is, by any standard, a wonderful manipulator of our language.</font></stro=
ng></div>
<div><strong><font size=3D"3"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font size=3D"3">Rebalancing Relations With China<br>
.</font></strong></div>
<div><font size=3D"-1">By <strong>Henry A. Kissinger, </strong>Wednesday, A=
ugust 19, 2009
<br>
.</div>
</font>
<div>
<div>For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by accep=
tance of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled with Ameri=
ca's appetite for consumer goods
<font color=3D"#c00000">(</font><strong>had sent</strong><font color=3D"#c0=
0000">) <strong><u>sent</u></strong></font> enormous amounts of dollar=
s to China, which, in turn, China lent back to us for still more buying.</d=
iv>
<div> </div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">That's the only 'had' there is -- righ=
t, wrong, or indifferent -- in the whole article.
</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. L=
ots of people do it right.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">It should be taught the right way, not=
the wrong way.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#c00000">.brad.19aug09. </font></strong></=
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:24:24 -0400
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
Dear All:
I have hit upon what might be a modest proposal for ending the curse of =
the Past Perfect Fixation. Recall that the tense under discussion is =
also called the "pluperfect," and that, in fact, that is the more common =
name in older grammars. This provides a solution!
The tense need not be past. It must only be plu. Pluness (not to be =
confused with plurality) is a state that can be inferred from context, =
both textual and situational. Brad's sense of annoyance is a natural =
reaction to the fact that some dolt in the sixteenth century -- =
doubtless completely tanked on metheglyn, if not also forswunk at the =
time -- thought that "past" and "plu" were the same thing. No one likes =
false advertising.
That should settle everything nicely.
Bill Spruiell=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Bruce =
Despain
Sent: Wed 8/19/2009 8:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
=20
Brad,
I don't know why I'm so stupid to reply to your comments. I know =
certain speakers of English will not understand the point of view that =
Kissinger intends to comply with in his use of "had." No matter how =
many times they may be told that there are dialects that accept the past =
perfect form in such a context, they must always prescriptively praise =
their own dialect as the only correct one. I understood Henry perfectly =
as he seems to be communicating with this form the same way I would make =
the attempt. For many months, this listserve was sustained by over 300 =
interested English teachers. Their appetite for a healthy discussion of =
relevant issues had made it a good resource of information and =
pedagogical strategies, which you have no doubt also enjoyed. Perhaps =
the current downturn in readership can be traced to certain repetitive =
observations of dialect differences that do not go away, but are =
maintained as the only correct versions.
Bruce
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar =
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston =
[[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Still Doing It Right
There is a 905-word Op-Ed piece in today's paper, written by Henry =
Kissinger, in which there is a single 'had' and it is a blooper.
Nonetheless, it provides further evidence to refute Susan's claim that =
if no one does it right, it must be wrong. She did not stay around long =
enough for me to show her that lots of people do it right, including =
Henry, who is, by any standard, a wonderful manipulator of our language.
Rebalancing Relations With China
.
By Henry A. Kissinger, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
.
For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by =
acceptance of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled =
with America's appetite for consumer goods (had sent) sent enormous =
amounts of dollars to China, which, in turn, China lent back to us for =
still more buying.
That's the only 'had' there is -- right, wrong, or indifferent -- in the =
whole article.
Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. Lots of people do it right.
It should be taught the right way, not the wrong way.
.brad.19aug09.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:32:23 -0400
From: "O'Sullivan, Brian P" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
See, if Brad had never obsessed about "had," I might never have learned the=
word "forswunk." Everything happens for a reason.
Brian
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Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
Dear All:
I have hit upon what might be a modest proposal for ending the curse of the=
Past Perfect Fixation. Recall that the tense under discussion is also call=
ed the "pluperfect," and that, in fact, that is the more common name in old=
er grammars. This provides a solution!
The tense need not be past. It must only be plu. Pluness (not to be confuse=
d with plurality) is a state that can be inferred from context, both textua=
l and situational. Brad's sense of annoyance is a natural reaction to the f=
act that some dolt in the sixteenth century -- doubtless completely tanked =
on metheglyn, if not also forswunk at the time -- thought that "past" and "=
plu" were the same thing. No one likes false advertising.
That should settle everything nicely.
Bill Spruiell
-----Original Message-----
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Bruce Despa=
in
Sent: Wed 8/19/2009 8:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Still Doing It Right
Brad,
I don't know why I'm so stupid to reply to your comments. I know certain s=
peakers of English will not understand the point of view that Kissinger int=
ends to comply with in his use of "had." No matter how many times they may=
be told that there are dialects that accept the past perfect form in such =
a context, they must always prescriptively praise their own dialect as the =
only correct one. I understood Henry perfectly as he seems to be communica=
ting with this form the same way I would make the attempt. For many months=
, this listserve was sustained by over 300 interested English teachers. Th=
eir appetite for a healthy discussion of relevant issues had made it a good=
resource of information and pedagogical strategies, which you have no doub=
t also enjoyed. Perhaps the current downturn in readership can be traced t=
o certain repetitive observations of dialect differences that do not go awa=
y, but are maintained as the only correct versions.
Bruce
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask]
U] On Behalf Of Brad Johnston [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Still Doing It Right
There is a 905-word Op-Ed piece in today's paper, written by Henry Kissinge=
r, in which there is a single 'had' and it is a blooper.
Nonetheless, it provides further evidence to refute Susan's claim that if n=
o one does it right, it must be wrong. She did not stay around long enough =
for me to show her that lots of people do it right, including Henry, who is=
, by any standard, a wonderful manipulator of our language.
Rebalancing Relations With China
.
By Henry A. Kissinger, Wednesday, August 19, 2009
.
For several decades, the global economic system was sustained by acceptance=
of American predominance. A vast tide of liquidity coupled with America's =
appetite for consumer goods (had sent) sent enormous amounts of dollars to =
China, which, in turn, China lent back to us for still more buying.
That's the only 'had' there is -- right, wrong, or indifferent -- in the wh=
ole article.
Some people, sometimes, do it wrong. Lots of people do it right.
It should be taught the right way, not the wrong way.
.brad.19aug09.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:14:09 -0400
From: "STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: fonetik
A nice example of the Southern Vowel Shift, as described at http://www.ic.a=
rizona.edu/~lsp/Features/SVS.html. What's interesting is how the Northern =
Cities Vowel Shift (http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/Northeast/ncshift/ncshif=
t.html) and the Southern Vowel Shift are taking the regional vowel systems =
in very different directions. Contrary to popular belief, dialects are not=
disappearing and are, in fact, diverging further, as one would expect.
Herb
Subject: Re: fonetik
My inland-Southern native dialect uses something like "pea-yun" (out of
context, it would be hard to distinguish from the inland Southern
present participle of a colloquial verb referring to urination). I have
seen phonics texts for early elementary ed that use "pen" as the primary
example word for "short e" -- an example which won't be at all useful
for any Southerner.=20
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of DD Farms
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:02 PM
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Subject: fonetik
At 02:13 p.m. 18/08/2009, Edmond Wright wrote:
> > The trouble with 'fonetik' spelling is, of course, is indicated=20
> by what Seth
>Katz says about the Southerner's 'peen' for 'pen', for the result=20
>would be that
>everyone would write their own accent.
DD: All the Suthroners around me think a peen is part of a ball peen=20
hammer, or the using of it. Pen is pronounced pen-uh. The 'e' is=20
close to the sound of 'Eh?" The n is not unusual for all of us=20
English speakers, but the suffix 'uh' is. I am not sure, but I think=20
we add it to all words ending in a consonant. Just thought of that.=20
We do tend to stick a lot of schwas in where they are just word=20
extenders. It is sort of like we were getting paid by the syllables=20
and not the words.=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:23:04 -0500
From: DD Farms <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: forswunk
DD: And I always thought it was spelled, forswonk.
from swink,verb (used without object),swank or swonk, swonken,
swinking, to toil
probably a past participle form
bef. 900; ME swinken, OE swincan;
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