Oops, sorry.
John
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I was responding to Ross.
Daren Bakst
On 3/11/11 2:14 PM, "John Allison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I know that this is what the cases say, of course. I am quite familiar with
> Citizens United, Bellotti, and other corporate speech cases, and do not need
> for you to show me the way.
>
> The question is the should, not the is.
>
> John
>
> John R. Allison
> The Spence Centennial Professor of
> Business Administration
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Daren Bakst
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>
> Actually, it is that corporations have rights to free speech as speakers.
>
> If you can point to cases that support otherwise, I'd be very interested in
> them.
>
> Here are some cites:
>
> See Citizens United (just citing this because it points to other sources as
> well): http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-205.ZS.html
>
> See: First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti:
> http://supreme.justia.com/us/435/765/case.html
>
>
> Daren Bakst
>
>
>
> On 3/11/11 12:55 PM, "Petty, Ross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I watched the video but have not read the Supreme Court's decision. However,
>> past decisions have always emphasized, not the rights of the speaker but
>> those
>> of listeners to hear a plurality of views. So it is not that corporations
>> have the right to free speech as speakers, but that citizens have the right
>> to
>> hear all views even those that come from corporations.
>>
>> Ross D. Petty
>> Professor of Marketing Law
>> Zwerling Family Term Chair
>> Babson College
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on behalf of John
>> Allison
>> Sent: Fri 3/11/2011 12:03 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>
>>
>>
>> But they're spending other people's money, even if they own shares
>> themselves.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Cross
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:52 AM
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>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>
>> Management is individuals too, John.
>>
>> At 10:40 AM 3/11/2011, John Allison wrote:
>>> Question: Does "that doesn't mean corporations don't have First
>>> Amendment rights.
>>> They are "associations" of individuals." ignore the reality that the
>>> average shareholder has little voice in what management does?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
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>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:28 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>>
>>> I hope that students receive a more accurate picture of the issue than this
>>> piece. There are so many flaws with the video, it is tough to know where to
>>> begin.
>>>
>>> Actually, I'll start from one of the first lines about the problem with
>>> campaign ads getting worse because of Citizens United. That's interesting
>>> because there is little to no evidence that the "recent" decision had any
>>> impact on the last election cycle (not to mention, it is unclear what is
>>> wrong with campaign ads). Further, states across the country already have
>>> allowed corporations to spend money from their general treasuries for
>>> independent expenditures without it creating some crisis in those states.
>>>
>>> The issue of a corporation not being a person is a silly argument--we know
>>> this, but that doesn't mean corporations don't have First Amendment rights.
>>> They are "associations" of individuals.
>>>
>>> Should newspapers, such as the NYT, be barred from running commentary (they
>>> are corporations and spend money that refer to candidates). What about book
>>> publishers--should they be scared about publishing a book because it
>>> mentions a political candidate? Interesting that not once did I hear
>>> anything about unions.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem with the video and the most disturbing actions of some
>>> critics of Citizens United is this unwarranted and vicious attack on the
>>> Supreme Court as an institution and the questioning of the justices'
>>> motives.
>>>
>>> Daren Bakst, J.D., LL.M.
>>> Director of Legal and Regulatory Studies
>>> John Locke Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/11/11 10:55 AM, "Susan Rogers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks! this is just what my students need!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Annie Leonard, creator of Story of Stuff, explains the Corporate
>>>>>> Personhood fiasco that Democracy has gotten itself into
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> <http://storyofstuff.org/citizensunited/>http://storyofstuff.org/citizensuni
>>>>>> ted/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Frank B. Cross
>> Herbert D. Kelleher Centennial Professor of Business Law
>> McCombs School of Business
>> University of Texas
>> CBA 5.202 (B6500)
>> Austin, TX 78712-0212
>> 512.471.5250
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