Michael,
I agree that the Court considered the benefit of hearing multiple views.
However, the ultimate result is that corporations have first amendment
rights and further, protecting a corporation's speech also played a major
role in the case:
From Bellotti:
"In the realm of protected speech, the legislature is constitutionally
disqualified from dictating the subjects about which persons may speak and
the speakers who may address a public issues. If a legislature may direct
business corporations to "stick to business," it also may limit other
corporations -- religious, charitable, or civic -- to their respective
"business" when addressing the public. Such power in government to channel
the expression of views is unacceptable under the First Amendment."
Daren
On 3/11/11 6:08 PM, "Garrison, Michael J." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Daren
>
> I believe Ross is correct about the landmark Bellotti case. The Court in
> Bellotti based its protection of corporate campaign spending on the first
> amendment interests of the public in hearing corporate opinions. The Court
> avoided the issue of whether corporations are speakers for purposes of the
> first amendment.
>
> There is an old, fairly boring analysis of the Bellotti case and the MCFL
> decision (that was overruled in Citizens United) in the ABLJ. Garrison,
> Corporate Political Speech, Campaign Spending and First Amendment Doctrine, 27
> Am. Bus. L.J. 163 (1989).
>
> Michael
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Daren Bakst
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>
> I was responding to Ross.
>
> Daren Bakst
>
>
> On 3/11/11 2:14 PM, "John Allison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I know that this is what the cases say, of course. I am quite
>> familiar with Citizens United, Bellotti, and other corporate speech
>> cases, and do not need for you to show me the way.
>>
>> The question is the should, not the is.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John R. Allison
>> The Spence Centennial Professor of
>> Business Administration
>> McCombs School of Business
>> CBA 5.246
>> University of Texas at Austin
>> Austin, TX 78712
>> 512-471-9435
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Daren Bakst
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:03 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>
>> Actually, it is that corporations have rights to free speech as speakers.
>>
>> If you can point to cases that support otherwise, I'd be very interested in
>> them.
>>
>> Here are some cites:
>>
>> See Citizens United (just citing this because it points to other sources as
>> well): http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-205.ZS.html
>>
>> See: First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti:
>> http://supreme.justia.com/us/435/765/case.html
>>
>>
>> Daren Bakst
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/11 12:55 PM, "Petty, Ross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I watched the video but have not read the Supreme Court's decision.
>>> However,
>>> past decisions have always emphasized, not the rights of the speaker but
>>> those
>>> of listeners to hear a plurality of views. So it is not that corporations
>>> have the right to free speech as speakers, but that citizens have the right
>>> to
>>> hear all views even those that come from corporations.
>>>
>>> Ross D. Petty
>>> Professor of Marketing Law
>>> Zwerling Family Term Chair
>>> Babson College
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk on behalf of John
>>> Allison
>>> Sent: Fri 3/11/2011 12:03 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But they're spending other people's money, even if they own shares
>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Cross
>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:52 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>>
>>> Management is individuals too, John.
>>>
>>> At 10:40 AM 3/11/2011, John Allison wrote:
>>>> Question: Does "that doesn't mean corporations don't have First
>>>> Amendment rights.
>>>> They are "associations" of individuals." ignore the reality that the
>>>> average shareholder has little voice in what management does?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Academy of Legal Studies in Business (ALSB) Talk
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Daren Bakst
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:28 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
>>>>
>>>> I hope that students receive a more accurate picture of the issue than this
>>>> piece. There are so many flaws with the video, it is tough to know where
>>>> to
>>>> begin.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I'll start from one of the first lines about the problem with
>>>> campaign ads getting worse because of Citizens United. That's interesting
>>>> because there is little to no evidence that the "recent" decision had any
>>>> impact on the last election cycle (not to mention, it is unclear what is
>>>> wrong with campaign ads). Further, states across the country already have
>>>> allowed corporations to spend money from their general treasuries for
>>>> independent expenditures without it creating some crisis in those states.
>>>>
>>>> The issue of a corporation not being a person is a silly argument--we know
>>>> this, but that doesn't mean corporations don't have First Amendment rights.
>>>> They are "associations" of individuals.
>>>>
>>>> Should newspapers, such as the NYT, be barred from running commentary (they
>>>> are corporations and spend money that refer to candidates). What about
>>>> book
>>>> publishers--should they be scared about publishing a book because it
>>>> mentions a political candidate? Interesting that not once did I hear
>>>> anything about unions.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest problem with the video and the most disturbing actions of some
>>>> critics of Citizens United is this unwarranted and vicious attack on the
>>>> Supreme Court as an institution and the questioning of the justices'
>>>> motives.
>>>>
>>>> Daren Bakst, J.D., LL.M.
>>>> Director of Legal and Regulatory Studies
>>>> John Locke Foundation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/11/11 10:55 AM, "Susan Rogers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! this is just what my students need!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Annie Leonard, creator of Story of Stuff, explains the Corporate
>>>>>>> Personhood fiasco that Democracy has gotten itself into
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
<http://storyofstuff.org/citizensunited/>http://storyofstuff.org/citizensun>>>>
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>>>>>>> ted/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Frank B. Cross
>>> Herbert D. Kelleher Centennial Professor of Business Law
>>> McCombs School of Business
>>> University of Texas
>>> CBA 5.202 (B6500)
>>> Austin, TX 78712-0212
>>> 512.471.5250
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