Bulk might not be the right word, that's true: but workshops are
unsurprisingly the core of the cw curriculum, though in my memory we have
really never formally discussed what we hope to be doing with them, or at
least we hadn't until we were obliged to articulate learning outcomes for
the major. More to the point our workshops are organized in a particular
manner. In terms of all-important enrollments in and beyond the major, 226
is crucial, so it would be foolish to give that course up without
replacing it with something equally popular and useful to other
majors/divisions. I agree that cw should not consider its menu of
literature courses sacred, especially since our sampling of them partly
reflects the historicist model currently governing the literature major, a
model that is itself under discussion in that faculty, but I really do
think that we have better writers in our workshops if they have taken 298
and literature courses, and that part of cw's strength is in its
relationship with the Literature major and program.  I wonder if we'd be
better off making small adjustments to cw in the near future while the
university and department are in a period of uncertainty and transition
while beginning to articulate a vision of more radical change for the
longer term as resources allow for it. Specifically, and given the
response in the CAS Curriculum Committee and CAS this year to proposals
featuring too many tracks and requiring additional staffing to support
them I wonder if there's a way to build in flexibility beyond simply
adding a track or two. For example, if we gave up one of the four required
courses in literature before 1860 (I am conflating two categories, I know)
or one of the two required literature courses after 1860 (figuring
students tend to take these anyway) we could require not just nine but
twelve additional hours from that cluster of courses at the 300 and 400
level--320, 321, 323, 330, 420, 422, 430--while perhaps inventing/adding
an open topics course that could take up subjects like bookworks, cw
pedagogy, performance or whatever and adding it to that cluster. I'd be
against cutting the requirement for one course in genre, for what it's
worth.

Keith

On 2/1/12 12:10 PM, "Luongo, Margaret M. Ms." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I love the idea of broader themed courses, as well as the idea of a more
>flexible major (along the lines of the PW bucket or tracks). The bulk of
>courses in the creative writing major are literature courses, not
>workshops, and I don't think we should consider all of the literature
>requirements sacred when rethinking the major.
>
>Margaret
>
>
>Margaret Luongo
>Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>Department of English
>356 Bachelor Hall
>Oxford, OH 45056
>513-529-5221
>________________________________________
>From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melbye, Eric Dr.
>[[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 11:38 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: a few thoughts into our runaway pot
>
>cris,
>
>I don¹t have hard data on hand to back this up, but I believe CW pedagogy
>courses/degrees are tragically underrepresented in university curricula
>across the country. If CW programs focus on churning out great writers,
>and if those students lack effective mentorship and/or coursework in CW
>pedagogy, CW programs become inundated with great writers who can¹t
>teach. (I¹m lifting this claim from personal experience as well as some
>fantastic journal articles on the subject.) I can see how diversifying
>course offerings in various literary genres would aid in developing a CW
>pedagogy ³program,² but I don¹t believe that¹s necessary. CW pedagogy
>courses would be valuable even if other CW course offerings adhered to
>traditional genres. Or maybe I¹m just misinterpreting your comments on
>that point.
>
>While we¹re tossing around bold n whacky ideas: If there¹s broad interest
>in expanding/diversifying CW genre course offerings, but concern over
>who¹s able to teach them and what might have to be cut from current
>curriculum (see Keith¹s latest email on this), an alternate approach
>might be to design courses that focus less on specific genres, and more
>on craft elements that cross genres. A course that focuses on The Image,
>for example, could incorporate just about every genre imaginable. Several
>such courses‹perhaps this is a thematic sequence or something‹could
>expose students to a multitude of genres. Rather than simply adding such
>courses to the curriculum, they could become part of a major overhaul of
>the curriculum; potentially, we¹d be able to offer the same number of
>courses that we do now, and cover them with the faculty we currently
>have, but be able to offer coursework in a much broader spectrum of
>genres. Of course, that major overhaul would be truly major. I did say
>³bold n whacky.²
>
>I thought ³grandfathered² meant the university could officially treat me
>like a doddering old relative, in a condescending, patronizing way. Keith
>says otherwise.
>
>Eric M
>
>From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of cris cheek
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:22 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: a few thoughts into our runaway pot
>
>HI Eric,
>
>i do really like this idea about running courses in CW pedagogy. One of
>the reasons why i am suggesting somewhat expanding, as well as
>consolidating, what we offer in CW is so that we can really talk about CW
>in the 21st century and get ahead of the more obvious dogs in the pack in
>terms of thinking beyond the usual binaries of poetry and fiction,
>fiction and poetry.
>
>Our addition of Creative Non-Fiction and Screenwriting do help. But we
>can offer more than that; i would argue that we need to. IF we can
>diversify our pedagogy then we really might be able to make an argument
>for being able to teach pedagogy. Not in any way to suggest that what we
>do currently is not already of high quality. We have a fabulous cohort.
>It could and we would all like it to be and become more representative of
>our current and potential students; in particular in terms of issues of
>diversities of color and ablism and technical know-how . .
>
>On a differing tack i've heard the term "grandfathered" a lot over the
>past couple of weeks. As a single parent with a son who could move me in
>that particular direction almost any minute, what on earth does it mean?
>
>
>x
>
>Looking forwards,
>
>
>cris
>
>
>On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Melbye, Eric Dr. wrote:
>
>
>cris and Everyone,
>
>As always, I feel my lack of context re: ongoing CW discussions at Oxford
>makes any comments of mine uninformed, but that¹s mainly due to
>incompatible schedules. I¹m not in Oxford regularly, and CW Dept meetings
>typically fall on my heavy-teaching days. No fault no foul, it is what it
>is. With that caveat, and the fact that I¹ll have to miss the Runaway
>Bender, here are my own rambling responses to cris¹ message:
>
>I too would encourage long-range thinking. What does the CW envision for
>itself in five, ten, fifteen years? Not only should that include thinking
>about what the program-as-is might be able to do/be in the near future
>considering impending faculty retirements, but also, what grand and
>improbable ideas do we have that we can throw against the wall and see
>what sticks for further discussion? If the retreat¹s purpose is to
>revision, why not throw absolutely everything out there for discussion?
>Of course, short-term planning is essential too, and that¹s where my
>relative lack of context limits me. But in addition to thinking about new
>course offerings (short-form related courses, for example), I¹d propose
>discussing what our CW Dept ought to be/do for students in the 21st
>century. Is MU¹s CW Dept going to be geared toward developing talented
>writers? Talented teacher-writers? Talented editors, publishers, etc.,
>for the CW business industry? All the above? What¹s the overarching
>mission? What needs have to be filled to achieve that mission, and what
>opportunities for new courses/degrees does a 21st century mission create?
>
>Like cris, I don¹t know what the Provost¹s proposal for a new regional
>academic division on the regionals might mean for the CW program, or the
>English Dept. I suspect no one truly knows, yet. It does appear as though
>folks like me will be grandfathered in and remain members of the Eng.
>Dept. But what about some of the VAPs who are really excellent CW
>instructors (there are 1-2 on the regionals, though I¹ve been hogging all
>the CW courses at MUM)? Will adjuncts be impacted somehow? How might any
>of this impact any big plans for university-wide CW initiatives? Again, I
>don¹t know, but it may be worth keeping in mind.
>
>cris made a call to ³continue to diversify what we can make a part of the
>creative writing program.² I¹m not sure if this is what he had in mind,
>but: The new Professional Writing degree includes some CW courses and
>courses that involve digital/hypertext narrative. I¹m chairing the search
>committee for a MUM faculty who will teach primarily in the PW program.
>We interviewed with a couple of MFA degree candidates, but the candidates
>we¹ve scheduled for campus visits are all Comp/Rhet people. Maybe a
>pending Comp/Rhet hire will create opportunities for CW faculty to plug
>themselves into PW degree courses, and maybe that in turn becomes an
>economy-size vehicle for CW program diversification/expansion in the
>future.
>
>I don¹t know exactly what cris means by ³Bookworks,² but I wonder if
>current or yet-undreamed-of courses might be created that might meet
>needs of CW majors in general, and also regional campus students. If
>memory serves‹and to paraphrase liberally‹the provost and Board of
>Directors are pushing the regionals toward bac. degrees/course offerings
>that serve career-oriented students from the regional campus demographic.
>Is this an opening for CW courses/degrees geared toward the publishing
>industry, but that also include other current and potential CW courses?
>Could MU Press and/or Segue<http://www.mid.muohio.edu/segue/> be
>integrated into such an initiative somehow? I could see an innovative
>program that utilizes existing resources and involves study of the
>publishing market, digital and print editing, publishing, and writing,
>and possibly digital/hybrid writing genres all rolled into one big
>beautiful thing.
>
>Outside of ENG 226, Creative Nonfic has consistently been one of my
>favorite classes to teach‹and one of the most successful, judging by
>student performance and course evals. This may be an intermediate level
>course that consistently appeals strongly to regional campus students. (I
>could expound on why, but this email is already far too long.) Is this
>one course to keep in mind, if thinking about expanding CW¹s reach across
>the university?
>
>Along the same lines, I¹ve dreamed for many years of creating a course
>that focuses on addressing/developing skills in creative
>thinking/innovation. That could be cross-listed with any number of
>non-English courses, such as Business courses. Is that a general area to
>consider developing, if the CW Dept wants to expand its presences/reach
>across the curriculum? (I¹m aware that a similar MU course already
>exists.)
>
>Should the CW Dept. explore the possibility of creating a degree or a
>degree ³subspecialty² in CW Pedagogy, giving our students a leg up on the
>university teaching market? I don¹t believe any such degrees are
>currently offered in OH, and there aren¹t many offered anywhere else,
>though I think there really should be. Along the same lines, might our
>current program in training CW grad students for teaching be enhanced in
>order to make them better instructors, and give them greater advantage in
>the job market‹which in turn becomes good PR for the CW Dept.?
>
>I don¹t know exactly what cris means by developing a ³profile in
>Electronic Writing,² but that sounds awfully cool. Count me in.
>
>I¹m well aware that many of the questions/ideas that I bring come from my
>perspective as a two-year campus instructor, and as a CW-Comp hybrid guy
>and a Wendy Bishop wannabe‹a perspective that may be markedly different
>from everyone else¹s, here. I submit these comments for what they¹re
>worth. You never know what might stick to the wall.
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of cris cheek
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:52 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: a few thoughts into our runaway pot
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>here's my tuppence - two cents worth to start some kind of ball rolling
>for next Tuesday.
>
>We clearly need to address what the program might look like in ten years
>time or so . given some possible and some definite shifts in full-time
>faculty in the cohort.
>
>I am not sure what to make of the Provost's proposals for Regional
>campuses as of yet. I would be happy to be further appraised on that
>score. It does seem to be a rapidly developing story and with
>implications for our overall program and CW provision networks in the
>next few years. I'm keen for Eric M. to be as closely involved in our
>descusions over the next year or two, as we can all manage. Eric, I could
>drive out to Middleton if there is no other possibility.
>
>I see no reason why we ought not continue to diversify what we can make a
>part of the creative writing program.
>
>We are not fully able to offer Creative Non-Fiction and Screenplays, but
>i hope we can keep an eye on making them more fully part of the CW fabric.
>
>Likewise, on the heels of our expected short form symposium, i would be
>keen to see us offer a class in something along those lines at
>undergraduate and graduate levels. We could make it one of our signature
>offerings.
>
>I ought not really be teaching poetry. I would be much better deployed
>teaching writing and performance, or even writing performance and
>collaboration . . (but  . . i know that is a ways off . . even though i
>genuinely think it could help us to continue to develop) . . much as i
>took strong note of Cathy's 700 class on the Rhetoric of Song.
>
>I still imagine us offering some kind of class on Bookworks, that could
>be fabulous for many programs in the Humanities. We really could make
>that kind of class incredibly popular.
>
>I plan to formally propose a class in Cybertexts and Electronic
>Literature, cross-listed with AIMS and Comparative Media Studies that
>could also work for Professional Writing, Literature and Creative Writing
>undergraduates, more tuned towards critical, theoretical and historical
>perspectives on CW but including a modicum of practicum. I would go back
>at least in the 1850s for this class btw .  . .).
>
>I would happily move my proposed 100 level class further down the line
>towards curricular approval . but i do think that it's important that it
>is not so tailored to my predilections that nobody else could teach it. I
>like what i have but feel it could be subtly hammered into more of a
>collectively owned template.
>
>I do think we ought to moving towards a profile in Electronic Writing
>btw. I can foresee Braxton Soderman being part of such a development too.
>
>looking forwards,
>
>
>cris