--------------- Text of forwarded message --------------- X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Approved-By: Ron Roizen <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:35:37 -0800 Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Sender: Kettil Bruun Society <[log in to unmask]> From: Ron Roizen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: DUI and wine To: [log in to unmask] Robin -- 1. It's interesting that this paper suggests both that beer "accounts for" the bulk of alcohol-related problems and that hazardous beer drinkers "are more likely" to be youthful, single, males. Might we switch those verb forms around, however, and say instead that hellraising young males "account for" most alcohol-related problems and that these gents are "more likely to be" beer drinkers? 2. Abstract (paper too?) ignores the strong aggregate-level trend relationship between spirits consumption and cirrhosis mortality -- also an "alcohol-related problem." Beer's trend relationship with cirrhosis (as Terris noted so long ago) was nil in the U.S. Ron Roizen, ph.d. consultant sociologist http://www.roizen.com/ron/index.htm ---------- From: Robin Room <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: DUI and wine Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 1:54 PM Martin -- the differences are much more likely to be due to who drinks the different beverages, under what circumstances, than to any metabolic differences between beverages. Below is a reference from Medline which will get you started. Robin J Stud Alcohol 1999 Nov; 60(6):732-9 Beer drinking accounts for most of the hazardous alcohol consumption reported in the United States. Rogers JD, Greenfield TK Alcohol Research Group, Public Health Institute, Berkeley, California 94709, USA. OBJECTIVE: Patterns and correlates of hazardous drinking, defined as occasions in which five or more drinks were consumed in a day, were compared for wine, beer and distilled spirits. METHOD: From a probability sample of the U.S. adult household population, 2,817 respondents who had consumed at least one drink in the previous year were selected for analysis. RESULTS: The results show that, in the U.S., beer accounts for the bulk of alcohol consumed by the heaviest drinkers. Beer also accounts for a disproportionate share of hazardous drinking. Logistic regression analyses revealed that drinkers who consume beer in a hazardous fashion at least monthly are more likely to be young, male and unmarried, and less likely to be black than are other drinkers. Hazardous beer consumption is more predictive of alcohol-related problems than hazardous consumption of wine or spirits. CONCLUSIONS: Three potential explanations for the results are considered: advertising, beer-drinking subcultures and risk compensation. Additional research is urged in order to better specify the causal role of these and other factors in hazardous beer drinking. PMID: 10606483, UI: 20072499 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Marshall To: [log in to unmask] Sent: den 12 januari 2001 21:20 Subject: DUI and wine Dear Fellow KBS'ers, I'm forwarding this from another list because I suspect our group is more competent to answer these questions than is the Alcohol & Temperance History Group. If you respond to Martin Platts, please copy it to me (or to the KBS list), since I'm interested in the responses. Thanks, Mac Marshall Sender: Alcohol and Temperance History Group From: Martin Platts Subject: DUI and wine To: [log in to unmask] Has anyone on this list researched the breakdown of alcoholism and DUI in regards to wine consumption? I have contacte a number of organizations who generalize but never give actual specifics as to the statistical breakdown between wine, beer, and spirits. Does drinking wine with food travel through the blood stream at a slower rate than if one was consuming beer and spirits with the same food? What is the metabolic rate difference ratios in all three alcohol substances on say a 180 lb man and 135lb woman? Is wine is bottom of the DUI list of alcohol beverages in such cases? Government agencies have been very reluctant to disseminate the differences to me. This information I need for my forthcoming book "Visions on Wine." which hopes to cover both sides of the issue. Thank you. Martin Platts h.c.i.m.a. ----- To join the KBS-LIST, send the command SUBSCRIBE KBS-LIST YOURFIRSTNAME YOURLASTNAME To signoff the list, send the command SIGNOFF KBS-LIST to [log in to unmask] If you experience difficulties signing on or off, write to [log in to unmask]