Thanks for reminding me about that -- I knew it was forthcoming as he refers to it in another recent work of his, on smoking (or really whether soldiers served as role models for 17th c. 'teenagers'), which incidentally also has some interesting bits on taverns: B. Roberts, Rokende Soldaten: Mannelijke rolmoddellen voor de jeugd in de vroege zeventiende eeuw?, in: L.F. Groenendijk & B. Roberts (eds.), "Losbandige Jeugd: Jongeren en Moraal in de Nederlanden tijdens de late Middeleeuwen en de Vroegmoderne Tijd" (Hilversum, 2004), pp. 53-71. The lack of response to my question has affirmed what I've suspected all along, viz. that there is very little work done on this topic (as revealed by my searches in the catalogues of the Royal Library, The Hague, which yielded almost nothing) by Dutch historians. Very odd, indeed, is it not? I wonder why. Thanks a lot, Gerald Groenewald --- Ann Tlusty <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Have you seen the recent article by Benjamin > Roberts? -- "Drinking Like a Man: > the Paradox of Excessive Drinking for > Seventeenth-Century Dutch Youths", > Journal of Family History 2004 29: 237-252 (July > 2004). > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com