From Ron Roizen, FYI.  (BTW, The “Four Ls” are “Liver, Lover, Livelihood, and Law,” being the four chief problem areas that in turn occasion seeking treatment in cases of excessive drinking.)

 


From: Ron Roizen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:00 PM
To: 'LORNA WALLACE'
Subject: RE: book

 

Hi Lorna…

 

In the late 1970s I did a study on the structure of alcoholism treatment services in two U.S. cities, San Francisco and Phoenix.  In Phoenix, as it happened, a "provider" used the Four Ls as a part of the specialized lexicon of alcoholism treaters in that time and place.  I liked the notion and reported it in my (co-authored) unpublished report.  Soon afterward, as I recall, Nick Heather and Ian Robertson saw this language and attributed the Four Ls to me personally and not to my Phoenix provider source -- in their book, Controlled Drinking (London, Methuen, 1981).  Their book became quite popular over time – again, as I recall.  In due course, and thereafter, I would receive the occasional query about how and why I had come up with this little model; this would happen perhaps once every three years or so.  Each time I would explain that in fact the Four Ls were not mine at all but part of the recovery world's vernacular in Phoenix -- and, for all I knew, in a wider area by now.  Yet, “Roizen” seemed to stick to the “Four Ls” all the same.  Incidentally, I believe some thinkers have elaborated Four Ls, now suggesting one, two, or three more Ls; some have even branched out (gasp!) into other letters of the alphabet!  Incidentally, Australia seems to have had the greatest interest in the concept, doubtless because Heather and Robertson made their homes there (right?), though there may have been other reasons too I guess.

 

Thanks for your inquiry, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

 

Ron Roizen

Wallace, Idaho

U.S.A.

 

 

 

 


From: LORNA WALLACE [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 2:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: book

 

hi there

 

i'm trying to find the book which explains roizen's four l's

liver lover livelihood and legal  think it was 1980 but not quite sure

if you could supply the reference that would be great then i could get it.

 

thanks lorna