I subscribe to H-Net's H-Diplo which is a moderated list that focuses on international relations, foreign policy and diplomacy. See http://www.h-net.org/~diplo/ . You can click on the discussion logs and read some of the recent postings. I mention that because you would be surprised at what some of the academics are saying. Coincidentally, there is an ongoing thread there on the purpose of history. I didn't see what triggered it. Recently, the H-Diplo historians have been debating there the interaction of the academic and the political world, how history is and is not used, how it can be corrupted, etc. Some have made good points, others seem to be living in a bit of a bubble. One scholar posited recently on HiDiplo that college professors should focus on teaching students "how to decode propaganda." !!!! Here is my reply, which points out that professors are only one of the factors that may form a person's world view. And that many people live successful lives without reading books. I happen to love history but, as we've been debating here alos, not everyone does or will. See my posting which also mentions records managers and archivists. I sent this in yesterday, the moderator just posted it now: From: H-Diplo <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:44:09 -0500 Subject: The Purpose of History [Krusten] Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:11:19 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] (1) Clare Spark asks "that all students be taught how to decode propaganda." Can historians present themselves as ultimate authorities, people who will be accepted by all their listeners as competent to teach how to "decode" propaganda? Can they define propaganda in a way that the public would accept readily? Keep in mind that there are no generally accepted standards of independence (including declaration of impairments) for historians, of the type codified for the protection of auditors and their work products. (See auditors' independence and evidence standards at http://shrinkster.com/coi and http://shrinkster.com/coh ) Talk to teachers at the K- 12 levels and you will hear a great deal of concern about master plans that call for more daily hours spent teaching math and science, less on social sciences. Some students in your classrooms have been home schooled by parents who did not want to expose their children to a perceived ideological slant in a public school. Will it be easy for an historian to convince *all* these students and their parents that s/he is truly impartial? And that his or her own presentations do not constitute propaganda? Remember, we live in a age of echo chamber Internet and cable "news" sources, some of which present very differing views of what constitutes "propaganda." Professors are only one source of influence in forming a person's world view. For those who stop reading after college (an increasing number of what are called "aliterate" Americans), your words likely will fade quickly. Many Americans earn a living, raise families and vote for public officials in elections while rarely listening to any news broadcasts or reading any books after they finish their studies. (2) The current thread does not acknowledge that there are a number of related actions that affect history in a circular fashion. Government officials create primary source materials (records) electronically or in hard copy; records managers try to ensure that they are preserved; archivists at the National Archives release the disclosable portions over time; historians study them and write narratives that might help future officials make better decisions. In the real world, all of these actions are subject to being undermined, for political or technological or budgetary reasons. From my conversations with archivists and records managers, I can tell you that many are mystified as to why scholars show so little interest in the issues raised by government historians such as H-Diplo poster Dr. Eduard Mark (see his comments in Fred Kaplan's "The End of History: How e-mail is wrecking our national archive," Slate, June 4, 2003. http://www.slate.com/id/2083920 ) Or in the public access issues raised by Dr. Stanley Kutler. Consider, then, the extent to which historians ignore so many parts of the life cycle of records. Some probably would say the reasons are benign. Perhaps some public officials ignore or misunderstand history for similarly benign reasons. There must be factors that constrain my fellow historians from learning about the records managers and archivists whom they depend on and who need their support. Perhaps some of the same factors keep busy, often-times insulated public officials from turning to historians as they carry out their responsibilities. Yes, history can be ignored or even misused in the public sphere. But consider also that perhaps every profession, even ours, can be affected sometimes by self absorption. Maarja Krusten GAO Historian and former National Archives' Nixon tapes archivist [log in to unmask] A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>