The question of education vs. experience raises (at least to me) this question: How many of you (archivists, librarians, et al.) had experience in archives and/or libraries BEFORE your formal training? 
 
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>From: Richard Cox <[log in to unmask]>
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>Beth Moser writes, “I don't think that there's a right way to go about becoming an archivist -- whether it's from a graduate history perspective or a MLS perspective. This has long been a debate in the archival world.”  John Erdmann writes, “I wonder, how did archivists and librarians ever got along before requiring advanced degrees and/or certifications?  Are the respective fields better for it?  I have talked to so many librarians who have told me that their experience in library school was virtually worthless.  Many have told me that the first job offered the best training.”  Erdmann, in a subsequent message, writes: “Must that education and training come in the form of advanced degrees at expensive universities, or could it come from the within the work environment, study on one's own, and at conferences?”
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>There is a right way to become an archivist and not everything can be learned on the job.  There is a knowledge to our field (if there is not, then we are not a discipline) and there is a need for education (different from training).  As two recent observers about higher education have noted, “To succeed in education is not to succeed in what one sets out to do, or even to succeed in doing whatever is within the realm of possibility; success means to succeed in doing something worth doing.” (James Engell and Anthony Dangerfield, Saving Higher Education in the Age of Money [Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2005], p. 128]  We need education, not merely apprenticeship, credentialing, practical information, etc., because the archival mission is important to society (and, actually, there is quite a range to salaries for such positions).
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>Leon Miller writes, “In other words, your title, your degrees, where you got your training and experience, are all pretty much crap. The archival profession needs to do a far, far better job of making the point that regardless of someone’s title, a person responsible for archival collections had damn well better be an archivist, had better have a thorough professional-level understanding of archival theory and practice (which, in the US today, usually means an MLS with a minimum of twelve semester credit hours in areas defined as core archival knowledge followed by archival certification within a year or two of graduation, although that is not quite yet the only route) and had better be able to apply archival theory and practice to their work.”  Yes, Leon is correct.  It is sad that those who complain about salary and recognition also are usually the ones who lament the need for real education.  Graduate archival education has changed quite a bit for the better over the past!
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>cades, and there are many programs far exceeding what Leon describes in his message.  Unfortunately, the profession generally seems ignorant of what this education represents and less than interested in arguing for it to be even better than it is.  No, you can’t learn all you need to know on the job or by reading quietly at home a few basic manuals.  Even to suggest this is to reflect why a stronger foundational education is needed.
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