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Lawyer joke-Between
grand theft and a legal fee, there only stands a law degree.
Website- 13 FAMOUS AMERICAN LAWYERS ALL BUT ONE NEVER WENT
TO
http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/lawyers.htm
1. Patrick Henry (1736-1799), member of
the Continental Congress, governor of
2. John Jay (1745-1829), first chief
justice of the Supreme Court
3. John Marshall (1755-1835), chief
justice of the Supreme Court
4. William Wirt (1772-1834), attorney
general
5. Roger B. Taney (1777-1864), secretary
of the treasury, chief justice of the Supreme Court
6. Daniel Webster (1782-1852), secretary
of state
7. Salmon P. Chase (1808-1873), senator,
chief justice of the Supreme Court
8. Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), president
9. Stephen Douglas (1813-1861),
representative, senator from
10. Clarence Darrow (1857-1938), defense
attorney in Scopes trial of 1925. [While Clarence Darrow attended a law school
for one year, he did not distinguish himself and preferred to study law on his
own. He received the greater part of his education in a law office in
11. Robert Storey (b. 1893), president of
the American Bar Association (1952-1953)
12. J. Strom Thurmond (b. 1902), senator,
governor of
13. James O. Eastland (b. 1904), senator
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are good and necessary
I wasn't even following
this discussion, but when I read this post I had to reply. As one of the
few archivists who has a law degree (a choice which should question my sanity),
I have to say this comment is a bit off. First of all, in
I'm the first one who
would welcome the elimination of graduate degrees from alot of
professions. It would save the next 40 years paying off loans. Then
again, we could deliver mail by pony express too. Being forced to sit
down, read, and listen to an experienced instructor never hurt anyone.
Chris Garmire
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I agree
that professionalism has become increasingly required of archivists and
librarians for the good of both professions. But you can still become a
lawyer in some states;
Joy
Ketron - Courier Service
Watauga
Regional Library
"Never
trust a man who reads only one book." ~Arturo Perez-Reverte
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For anyone still following this-
I apologize in advance for sounding harsh, but I don't think it's reasonable
for anyone to expect to be considered for positions at prestigious institutions
these days if they don't meet the minimum requirements, in this case we're
talking about the MLIS. In what other field would that be acceptable? You
wouldn't expect to be a law clerk for 12 years at a small firm and suddenly become
an attorney at a large, fancy firm without first going through a JD program and
passing the bar. Degrees, certificates, and formal education are tools
that all professions use to separate the men from the boys (please excuse the
sexist phraseology- I am empassioned!)- they are the emblems we hold up to
others, to society, as a symbol of our worth and to differentiate ourselves
from the layperson. The fields of librarianship and archives management
have both been experiencing increased professionalization over the last couple
of decades, and in that situation anywhere, at any time, some practitioners are
bound to caught in the middle with many years of experience and no diploma; the
same has happened historically in medicine and teaching and many other professions.
But if those of us who work with archival collections really want that respect
and those better salaries, we have to find a way to embrace formal education
and promote it and its standards throughout our field. I'm talking about
archives programs couched in library schools here, which I think is the best
place for them to be. School may not always be fun, it is certainly
expensive, but it helps us do our jobs better, it helps strengthen the archival
profession in the future. I just can't see how that is a bad thing, or
why we would fight this. Considering we live the age of Google, if we
don't embrace professionalization and standardization we could find ourselves
unable to counter the question, "You're an archivist? So what?" I for
one don't want to be left behind just because some things have changed- what we
do is too important.
Experience is undoubtedly valuable and you absolutely couldn't get along
without it, but formal education is the glue that binds us together as
professionals. When two formally educated archivists face each other and
one blurts out "T. R. Schellenberg" or "macroappraisal,"
they know they are speaking the same language, and have the same basic set of
intellectual tools that a degree provides. I think that kind of commonality
is only the beginning stage of professionalization, that we may as well accept
it, adjust to it across the profession, and move on with the work ahead of
us. Viva la revolucion! Viva la educacion! and Viva la profession!
Cheers everybody. Pat yourself on the back just a little, because we are
engaged in a noble and worthwhile effort.
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