I might be out of place for this discussion since I have not taken the MLS yet. But I think it's unfair that a lot of the jobs strictly require that applicants must have already received an MLS degree, because it blocks people like me who are hard-working and have gained valuable archival and preservation experiences from internships, workshops, and previous employment. I would like to work in a better organization and I believe I have what it takes. Unfortunately, there are so many jobs that I've already passed since I'm not qualified for it merely because I don't have the Master's diploma. Don't get me wrong, I am pro education and I am now thinking of getting the degree since it's a "must" in this field, but I just think it's a little unfair that people like me aren't given the chance to develop in prestigious places just because you don't have the proper degree. I hope I'm wrong. Still trying. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Archival Education > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:00:31 -0400 > > > The question of education vs. experience raises (at least to me) > this question: How many of you (archivists, librarians, et al.) had > experience in archives and/or libraries BEFORE your formal training? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Cox <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Jun 16, 2006 3:40 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Archival Education > > > > Beth Moser writes, “I don't think that there's a right way to go > > about becoming an archivist -- whether it's from a graduate > > history perspective or a MLS perspective. This has long been a > > debate in the archival world.” John Erdmann writes, “I wonder, > > how did archivists and librarians ever got along before requiring > > advanced degrees and/or certifications? Are the respective > > fields better for it? I have talked to so many librarians who > > have told me that their experience in library school was > > virtually worthless. Many have told me that the first job > > offered the best training.” Erdmann, in a subsequent message, > > writes: “Must that education and training come in the form of > > advanced degrees at expensive universities, or could it come from > > the within the work environment, study on one's own, and at > > conferences?” > > > > There is a right way to become an archivist and not everything > > can be learned on the job. There is a knowledge to our field (if > > there is not, then we are not a discipline) and there is a need > > for education (different from training). As two recent observers > > about higher education have noted, “To succeed in education is > > not to succeed in what one sets out to do, or even to succeed in > > doing whatever is within the realm of possibility; success means > > to succeed in doing something worth doing.” (James Engell and > > Anthony Dangerfield, Saving Higher Education in the Age of Money > > [Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2005], p. 128] > > We need education, not merely apprenticeship, credentialing, > > practical information, etc., because the archival mission is > > important to society (and, actually, there is quite a range to > > salaries for such positions). > > > > Leon Miller writes, “In other words, your title, your degrees, > > where you got your training and experience, are all pretty much > > crap. The archival profession needs to do a far, far better job > > of making the point that regardless of someone’s title, a person > > responsible for archival collections had damn well better be an > > archivist, had better have a thorough professional-level > > understanding of archival theory and practice (which, in the US > > today, usually means an MLS with a minimum of twelve semester > > credit hours in areas defined as core archival knowledge followed > > by archival certification within a year or two of graduation, > > although that is not quite yet the only route) and had better be > > able to apply archival theory and practice to their work.” Yes, > > Leon is correct. It is sad that those who complain about salary > > and recognition also are usually the ones who lament the need for > > real education. Graduate archival education has changed quite a > > bit for the better over the past! > > few de > > cades, and there are many programs far exceeding what Leon > > describes in his message. Unfortunately, the profession > > generally seems ignorant of what this education represents and > > less than interested in arguing for it to be even better than it > > is. No, you can’t learn all you need to know on the job or by > > reading quietly at home a few basic manuals. Even to suggest > > this is to reflect why a stronger foundational education is > > needed. > > > > -- > > Richard J. Cox > > Professor > > Department of Library and Information Sciences > > School of Information Sciences > > University of Pittsburgh > > Editor, Records & Information Management Report > > Pittsburgh, PA 15260 > > Voice: 412-624-3245 > > FAX: 412-648-7001 > > e-mail: [log in to unmask] > > homepage: http://www2.sis.pitt.edu/%7Ercox/ > > > > "What we would like to do is change the world - to make it a > > little simpler for people to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves > > as God intended for them to do. And we can change the world: we > > can work for the oasis, the little cell of joy and peace in a > > harried world. We can throw our pebble in the pond and be > > confident that its ever widening circle will reach around the > > world." - Dorothy Day A posting from the Archives & Archivists > > LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, > > www.archivists.org. > > For the terms of participation, please refer to > > http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] > > In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname > > *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES > > To post a message, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] > > > > Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at > > http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html > > > > Problems? 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