It's all a matter of the legal niceties, I imagine. If Walmart contracts
with, say, New Line Cinemas for a version of one of their films with the
obscenities edited out, New Line Has agreed to the change.
My understanding based on the articles others have posted is these "Clean
Films" places did the editing on their own, without going to the owner
first. As Peter just pointed out, if you approach them and ask for certain
things, they may be willing to provide. But if you do it on your own,
you're violating their rights in the product.
DS
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I'm curious as to how this practice differs from Walmart's practice of
selling "sanitized" versions of CDs and DVDs. At least with music CDs, I
guess the recording studios have approved the changes, in which case it's
not copyright infringement. Radio stations for decades have played versions
of songs with certain words changed (one instance is Charlie Daniels Band's
"Devil Went Down to Georgia"), and often the albums containing those songs
have also been "cleaned up," depending on where they're being sold. But
again, this was likely done with the knowledge and cooperation (if not
approval) of the studios.
I don't condone these companies taking movies and changing them to fit
whatever "morals" they favor. In fact, I'm surprised that - having gone
that far - they didn't change the endings of a few if they didn't go along
with their notions of "good is supposed to triumph over evil." But I'm
curious about how this differs from what Walmart (and maybe other large
chains?) has been doing for years.
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>>> Roy Webb <[log in to unmask]> 07/17/06 12:44 PM >>>
Just back from a family vacation, too late to get in on the staff morale
thread, dang! Oh well, suffice to say we all work together well and I'm
lucky to have a great staff. Anyway, a couple more things about the
"CleanFlicks" controversy--which is kind of a home-grown thang from the
Pretty, Great State of Utah--that has, obviously, national implications.
The first is a TRIBUNE editorial agreeing with the court that said the
practice had to stop; the other two are just articles by one of the
entertainment editors about the latest news on it. I had to agree with a
comment by someone else, that this is yet another case of people thinking
that their personal beliefs put them above the law.
7/12/06
The right to copy: So much time picking at maggots
Tribune Editorial
It's not, goodness knows, that Hollywood never makes a horrible hash out of
someone else's creative work.
But, unless mo! tion picture producers want to reach back into the public
domain to slime Shakespeare, demean Dickens or popularize Puccini, they have
to buy the rights to any novel, play or old TV show they want to turn into a
feature film.
And the copyright-holder has the right, if not always the strength, to
either refuse to sell it or to demand some creative control over the final
product.
That's the point that the owners of Utah-based CleanFlicks and similar
outfits have not seemed to grasp. It's the point of a correctly reasoned
federal court ruling last week that found the unauthorized editing of
copyrighted films by people who turn around and sell or rent the altered
versions to someone else is illegal.
http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_4054661
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7/14/06
CleanFlicks gets more time to surrender doctored films
By Vince Horiuchi
The Salt Lake Tribune
Video companies that sa! nitize movies for rental have been given more time
to hand over all th eir inventory to Hollywood attorneys as part of federal
court judgment.
CleanFlicks of American Fork and another Utah company, CleanFilms, were
ordered to immediately shut down business and give up all of their stock of
edited movies within five days after a U.S. District Court judge ruled July
6 that what they do violates U.S. copyright law.
CleanFlicks Chief Executive Ray Lines said he has had to wait to receive
all of his DVDs and VHS tapes from rental customers before he can comply
with the order.
He and the owners of CleanFilms, a party to the suit that also rents and
sells edited videos to other stores and to customers over the Internet, have
been meeting with their attorneys this week to determine whether they should
appeal the ruling.
http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_4049375
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7/15/06
CleanFlicks stores plan for the worst
By Vince Horiuchi
Th! e Salt Lake Tribune
John Dixon, right, and Ray Lines, chief executive for video distributor
CleanFlicks, are seen at a Provo CleanFlicks store. (Paul Fraughton/Tribune
file photo )
Every week, Aaron Campbell and his family stop by the CleanFlicks video
store in Orem to rent movies such as "The Pink Panther" or "The Matrix." But
these videos have been scrubbed clean of foul language and violence.
Tuesday, the 35-year-old Orem marketing manager stepped into the store
again. But he wasn't renting videos; he was buying because CleanFlicks might
have to close its doors.
http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_4039504
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