Hmmm, at least Olberman knew there are such people as archivists. (I'm old fashioned, I watch the ABC Nightly News mostly, as I've done for decades and decades. I've only seen Olberman a few times in his current gig; I used to enjoy seeing him on ESPN on Sports Center, way back when. Pretty irreverant in that venue, as I recall.) I'm not sure why he thought "NASA archivists" were involved. Maybe because the initial news stories talked about engineers and scientists scrambling around to search NASA's "archive." As I said in the note I sent the professor, linked to earlier today, laymen think any old, inactive records comprise an "archive." Most Federal agencies don't employe archivists, although some do. I gather the Apollo tapes went to NARA, then were withdrawn for temporary use by NASA, some time ago. To the extent the press accounts may have the date right, it sounds as if this happened decades ago. I don't know what the records schedule said for these tapes, that is, how long NASA was to hold them as agency records before they were turned over for accessioning by NARA. (I'm assuming the tapes were designated as permanent (!)) The withdrawal presumably was from a NARA-administered Federal Records Center, during the period while the schedule still described them as being in agency custody but stored at the FRC. (You know, the typical "transfer to FRC 5 years after closure; transfer to NARA 20 years after closure" type of designation.) NASA's current guidance document, posted on its external website at http://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/displayDir.cfm?Internal_ID=N_PR_1441_001D_&pa ge_na notes that "any records withdrawn from an FRC should be returned. . . the borrower is responsible for returning the records as soon as no longer needed." I suspect records managers initially checked with the user from time to time, the user said he still had a need for the tapes, and the issue faded over time. We don't know who the user was, any NASA official could have requested the records management staff to retrieve the tapes from NARA. The news accounts quote engineers, rather than historians, as remembering having worked with the originals. No way to tell from the press accounts who last worked with them. At any rate, people may have left, the materials might have been shifted from one place to another, etc. Clearly, NASA seems just to have lost track of them. Unfortunately, this happens. BTW, I would love to see the records retention schedule that was in effect when the retrieval from NARA occurred. I'm curious as to what it said about when the tape was to be accessioned into NARA, again assuming this occurred prior to that time. Presumably, NASA still has a copy somewhere, but I don't know if they do. News accounts never give the type of technical details I want to know, LOL. I bet this sort of inadvertent loss or misplacement happens on campuses, at television stations and at newspapers and other major media outlets (gasp). I imagine that it can happen anywhere users retrieve records from off-site storage and don't immediately return them to storage after they are done with them. I'm fascinated by how this has become such a news story in the news media and on academic blogs. When I saw the subject line, I thought Andrea might be forwarding an email or posting from elsewhere. Glad to see it was just a comment from a TV cable guy. LOL. Maarja ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [log in to unmask] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>