Kudos on the great find. That is fantastic! On another note, I personally do not know Ben or whether he benefited from mentoring. I do know, I myself, did and still do. I love getting out in the field with others that are more experienced birders than myself. Many birders and nature enthusiasts benefit from the help of others. Organizations like OYBC, Ohio Ornithological Society, Indiana Young Birders and similar groups give young birders a place to meet like-minded individuals, show them great areas to see birds, and gain support and assisitance from adults for their love of birds. Also, the "old birders" benefit from giving back, as well. I don't think any birder I have met has not benefited from another birder's knowledge and experience and the kindness of sharing it with others. Janet Creamer Indianapolis, IN and Lebanon, OH ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]