Hi, I decided to bite the bullet and go through the work of uploading all the pictures of the myiarchus sp flycatcher. They are on my flickr feed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/haans42/ I have big issues with photo ID because people only look at the pictures and tend to get into the minutia. Let me attempt to head a bit of that off by saying the bird is much darker and more colorful in the pictures because I used my standard photo settings. This means under exposing by 0.3 to 0.7 (Olympus scale) because I later adjust levels and saturation to get a more true to life image. In this case none of these photos have had that done. Also the bird is in deep shade and it was mostly cloudy with the sun only coming out occasionally. All of that said I know these details will be ignored by 98% of the people who make a call based upon these photos. They will also ignore my observation that this bird appeared smaller than a Great Crested. As well as the odd behavior it has exhibited over the several times I have seen it. That is coming low in the trees So far people sending me off list email favor Ash-throated. This is mostly from people out west who have extensive experience with that species. I am very much hoping that someone with extensive experience with myiarchus species will weigh in on this bird and take into account my observations. the exposure value, and not just the photos as presented. I find things problematic with Ash-throated but these only appear in a few images. The most obvious is that on one or two pictures the tertial edges appear to be highly contrasting. But in other pictures they do not. In some pictures you can see some paleness at the base of the bill. But in the best images this is not the case at all. One last thing. If someone tries to call this an Ash-throatedXGreat Crested hybrid I will find them in real life and make their life miserable. Please don't go there. :-) ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. Additional discussions can be found in our forums, at www.ohiobirds.org/forum/. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]