As they say, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." How many of these forestry meetings do individuals have to go to before they realize the meeting is just a "smoke screen." Yea, they will let people voice their opinions. But then Forestry does what they want. Dept.of Forestry is not any different than the good ol' boys with division of wildlife. POLITICS AS USUAL. They don't hire individuals that have extensive knowledge about ecology, etc., they hire people that will "play their game." That's why all the highly intelligent people who work for states' department of natural resources, do so west of the Mississippi river. East of the river, POLITICS RULES. So, if you want to go to the Mohican and have a "lovely" beverage, knock yourself out. Just don't except to change the minds of "Boss Tweed" Ohio department of natural resources. Have a nice day (JCLY), John Herman ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/membership.php. Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask]