Please NOTE: This is NOT the forum for these discussions. Everyone, please be mindful of our listserv etiquette: Ohio-birds is an email discussion list (mailing list) for Ohio birders and those interested in Ohio birds. Subscribers to Ohio-birds are able to: • share information about bird sightings in Ohio • review the most recent bird sighting reports and rare bird alerts from across the state • learn (and ask) about places to look for birds in Ohio • discuss and debate the occurrence, distribution, identification, and ecology of Ohio birds More information on postings can be found at: http://ohiobirds.org/birding-discussion-mailing-list/ Thank you. Listserv Owner - OH BIRDS -----Original Message----- From: Ohio birds [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of KBPhotoshop Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:34 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Photographing snowies I agree with Alex, Ed, Sue and hundreds of other folks who photograph wildlife. Stop public shaming of birder/photogs. I suggest you put down the bins and pick up a camera to appreciate our passion. like you we love Nature too On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Sue Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thanks Alex. > > On Dec 5, 2017 12:33 PM, "Alex Eberts" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Just curious if maybe we can stop the photographer bashing? There’s > > zero reason to imply that birders with cameras are any less birders > > than > anyone > > else. This isn’t the forum for it; it’s just unnecessary drama. Just > > my > two > > cents. > > > > Alex > > > > > On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Bill Whan <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > It seems this season is a poor one for raptors in the north, and > > > those of us who live in warmer climes are seeing more of them now. "Birders" > > > with cameras find them irresistible as photo subjects. > > > But there must be a zillion photos out there of owls staring > > > at > the > > > photographer, usually in the wide-open settings where they most > > > often look for lunch. All these photos look pretty much alike > > > alike; once in > a > > > while a photo might be taken of an owl with bloodied talons or > > > even > dead > > > prey, but they tend to retreat to eat. Photos of such subjects are > > > sought after, even if they are pretty much of identical birds in > > > identical settings. > > > I can imagine that owls, if they could and cared to observe > humans, > > > would notice field characteristics--colorful 'plumages,' typical > > > postures and approaches, but potentials that might be dangerous. > > > Unlikelier than a tasty warm or vole, humans clumsily tend to hold > > > to their faces glassy instruments. Humans have an anxious tendency > > > to edge closer and closer to owls, all too often until they become unwelcome. > > > By searching the internet it is easy for us humans to find > > innumerable > > > snowy owl photos. But that seems not enough. We want to see our 'own' > > > owls, in our 'own' place, even though it is almost always > > > indistinguishable. Each birder must share his or her 'own' > > > identical image, tedious as it must be, of a snowy perched on a > > > beach, looking suspiciously toward the camera. > > > This is a lot more boring than stamp-collecting, but we seem > > > drawn to share out OWN versions of the standard photo. This is > > > just a bit strange, and always tedious for folks who view the > > > results; it is something the owls too put up with, even if carefully undertaken. > > > --Bill Whan > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > ____ > > > > > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > > > Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/ > > membership.php. > > > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > > > > > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > > > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > > > Send questions or comments about the list to: > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > > Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/ > > membership.php. > > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > > Send questions or comments about the list to: > > [log in to unmask] > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. > Please consider joining our Society, at www.ohiobirds.org/site/ > membership.php. > Our thanks to Miami University for hosting this mailing list. > > > You can join or leave the list, or change your options, at: > listserv.miamioh.edu/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=OHIO-BIRDS > Send questions or comments about the list to: [log in to unmask] > -- Ken Busch Photographer and Graphic Artist Ken Busch Photography [log in to unmask] images here http://kenbuschphotography.smugmug.com/ ______________________________________________________________________ Ohio-birds mailing list, a service of the Ohio Ornithological Society. 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