I'm so sorry to have missed this conference but am definitely aiming for Seattle next year. I look forward to seeing the proceedings on the ATEG website (and thanks to those who go to all the trouble of providing that info.). btw, I did give a presentation on how to effectively teach grammar in a basic writing class at a Canadian conference in Newfoundland this spring, so I am disseminating our philosophy Ed. I do have one question. I am under the impression that Martha Kolln somewhere critiqued the empirical studies summarized by Hartwell. Can anyone give me a reference? Thanks, Mieke Mieke Koppen Tucker Bishop's University Lennoxville, Que. Canada