Can somebody tell me in plain English what Jon Stephen Miller is talking about with regards to food. Food in history is a favorite topic of mine but I have never seen such complicated utterences about Macdonalds etc, when the plain fact is food represents a culture. Why? Simple..you do not have to be a rocket scientist to understand climate, standard of life, attitude and religion. Macdonalds have been successful because like all things it was a good idea for the lazy, ignorant or whatever. Hiffilger succeeded because of dress doqwn day..which has now led to a downfall of the tie and suit in general This is one debate you gentlemen are not having to yourselves,so talk English so I can understand it. Jon, make your utterences more simple, you will be surprised at the responses Martin Platts h.c.i.m.a.