Amanda, How about a voluntary, after school program as an experiment? That way it's not necessary to convince anyone. Let the results speak for themselves. If a group like this could agree on course content, we could try it in our various locations. I know that's a tall order, agreeing on course content. Maybe measuring the success would be difficult, but sometimes qualitative, subjective results have more power than the quantitative results anyway. If students and teachers report success in terms of confidence, interest in writing, native dialect awareness and improved self esteem, it might be very powerful. -- Christine Reintjes Martin [log in to unmask] ----Original Message Follows---- From: Amanda Godley <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/