Who are these people who are hostile to grammar teaching? Are they people who aren't knowledgeable about grammar and feel threatened? Why is it hard to define grammar? Isn't it the structure and patterns of a language? I'm wondering what is really at stake here. I find grammar studies interesting and fun. Am I unusual? It's probably a combination of nature and nurture like most things. I also like math, and I know some people say they detest math, but no one suggests that as a reason not to teach math. I'm glad to learn about this controversy which I've been unaware of most of my life. I began my career as an ESL and college English teacher at my community college in 2000. I was amazed to learn that teachers were forbidden to teach grammar. I'm still amazed. It's so puzzling, but then many beliefs are mind boggling to me like using violence to make the world peaceful. -- Christine Reintjes Martin [log in to unmask] ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/