<[log in to unmask]>,<[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]>,<[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.58.223.253] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 0267E514F9 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(6009001)(164054003)(377454003)(13464003)(189002)(199002)(15202345003)(64706001)(4396001)(76482001)(89122001)(21056001)(79102001)(19580405001)(2171001)(106116001)(19273905006)(77982001)(19300405004)(99396002)(107886001)(95666004)(36756003)(87936001)(15975445006)(83072002)(85852003)(99286002)(106356001)(66066001)(15395725005)(88552001)(31966008)(2656002)(80022001)(19580395003)(74502001)(20776003)(74662001)(93886003)(81542001)(81342001)(83322001)(101416001)(92726001)(85306003)(50986999)(105586002)(46102001)(107046002)(92566001)(75432001)(54356999)(76176999)(86362001)(562404015)(563064011)(18886065003);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:CO2PR05MB684;H:CO2PR05MB682.namprd05.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;MLV:sfv;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: bsu.edu X-Miami-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Miami-MailScanner-ID: s69J5N21021842 X-Miami-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Miami-MailScanner-From: [log in to unmask] X-Spam-Status: No I seem to have lost Gregg's note in this thread, but he asks about the "me"= in Hughes'=0A= =0A= ...I'm gonna write me some music about=0A= Daybreak in Alabama....=0A= =0A= Back in the day when I was a Classics major, we studied a similar construct= ion in both Greek and Latin that the grammars called "the ethical dative." = I'm not sure the term means anything beyond the fact that the dative prono= un is not the recipient of direct object. Rather, the pronoun serves to em= phasize the subject. The construction works only if the subject and dative= pronoun are the same person. I think it works in the plural, as in =0A= =0A= We'll have us some of that potato salad.=0A= =0A= The construction is found mostly in informal registers.=0A= =0A= I'd be interested to read what others think of this construction, although = I may not reply for a couple of weeks. We're at our cottage and I just hap= pen to be at the local public library a half hour away.=0A= =0A= Herb=0A= =0A= Herbert F. W. Stahlke, Ph.D.=0A= Emeritus Professor of English=0A= Ball State University=0A= Muncie, IN 47306=0A= [log in to unmask] ________________________________________=0A= From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask] DU> on behalf of Myers, Marshall <[log in to unmask]>=0A= Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:14 PM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "I'm gonna write"--verb + infinitive or verb + auxiliary?=0A= =0A= Glenda,=0A= =0A= "Fixin' to" is also quite popular here, too.=0A= =0A= I teach a unit on Appalachian English in my grammar class when I teach it h= ere at Eastern Kentucky University, where I am retired but still teaching p= art-time.=0A= =0A= As I best remember, you're in Alabama. Correct?=0A= =0A= Check me out at Amazon.com, the book section.=0A= =0A= I'm at [log in to unmask] =0A= I was formerly the Book Review Editor for the ATEG Journal.=0A= =0A= Best Wishes,=0A= =0A= Marshall=0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask] AMIOH.EDU] On Behalf Of Conway, Glenda=0A= Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 9:36 PM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "I'm gonna write"--verb + infinitive or verb + auxiliary?=0A= =0A= Hi Marshall!=0A= =0A= Where I live, the wording is "I'm fixin' to. We like to take our own good t= ime when doing so won't cause a disaster.=0A= =0A= Are you retired? Where are you living?=0A= =0A= It's so good to hear you here.=0A= =0A= =0A= Glenda=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Glenda Conway=0A= =0A= Professor, English=0A= =0A= Coordinator, Harbert Writing Center=0A= =0A= Department of English and Foreign Languages=0A= =0A= University of Montevallo=0A= =0A= Montevallo, AL 35115=0A= =0A= 205 665 6425 office=0A= =0A= 205 482 4380 cell=0A= =0A= [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________=0A= From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [[log in to unmask] DU] On Behalf Of Myers, Marshall [[log in to unmask]]=0A= Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:20 PM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "I'm gonna write"--verb + infinitive or verb + auxiliary?=0A= =0A= Glenda,=0A= =0A= Old classmate here!=0A= =0A= "Going to" is many times regarded as a two-word modal auxiliary like the re= lated "can," may," might" and others.=0A= =0A= "I'm going to go"=0A= "I may go."=0A= =0A= Marshall Myers=0A= Professor Emeritus=0A= Eastern Kentucky University=0A= From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask] AMIOH.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael=0A= Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 8:05 PM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: "I'm gonna write"--verb + infinitive or verb + auxiliary?=0A= =0A= Glenda=0A= =0A= This is the first message I have received from ATEG. I was not sure it was = an active list.=0A= =0A= I have a couple of brief observations:=0A= =0A= 1. You could interpret the structure either way, but you also need to expla= in to students the pragmatic meaning of the grammar in addition to labeling= it with a pedagogical grammar structure.=0A= =0A= 2. One pragmatic meaning of "gonna" is to have an intention and subsequentl= y a plan to do something. Intentions entail plans.=0A= =0A= 3. You might also mention the informal spoken linguistic register of the po= em.=0A= =0A= 4. I was just reading yesterday about the progressive tense in the British = National Corpus which found that overwhelming percentage of its use (65%) w= as what the author described as "repeatedness" or in other words, "an ongoi= ng single event." An example of repeatedness from the corpus in the article= was "You are once again doing it completely and utterly wrong." The source= for this is a book chapter:=0A= =0A= Romer, U. (2010). Using general and specialized corpora in English language= teaching: Past, present, and future. In M. Compoy-Cubillo, B. Belles-Fortu= no, and M. Gea-Valor. (Eds.), Corpus-based approaches to English language t= eaching (pp. 18-35). London: Continuum.=0A= =0A= Romer conducted a large study of progressive in a 2005 book, Progressives, = patterns, pedagogy: A corpus-driven approach to progressive forms, function= s, contexts, and dialectics.=0A= =0A= I do not think repeatedness is the pragmatic function of the line, but teac= hing students about using corpus studies, and pragmatics to inform our know= ledge of grammar is certainly worth the time.=0A= =0A= Mike Busch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Greetings-=0A= =0A= Today, in my Advanced English Grammar class, I showed Langston Hughes's "Da= ybreak in Alabama" as an example of a poem with two sentences.=0A= =0A= I realized while showing the poem that I was not sure how to divide the slo= ts of the first main clause, which is=0A= =0A= ...I'm gonna write me some music about=0A= Daybreak in Alabama....=0A= =0A= Shall I think of "I'm gonna write" as being equivalent to "I will write," t= hus considering "[a]m gonna" as an auxiliary to "write"?=0A= =0A= Or shall I think of "I'm gonna write" as being equivalent to "I am going to= write," thus considering "to write..." an adverbial infinitive phrase?=0A= =0A= I would love to read some discussion on this clause and to be able to share= it with my students afterward.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= =0A= Glenda Conway=0A= Professor, English=0A= Coordinator, Harbert Writing Center=0A= Department of English and Foreign Languages Station 6420 University of Mont= evallo Montevallo, AL 35115=0A= 205 665-6425 office=0A= 206 665-6422 fax=0A= [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>=0A= =0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave= the list"=0A= =0A= Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/=0A= =0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave= the list"=0A= =0A= Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/=0A= =0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave= the list"=0A= =0A= Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/=0A= =0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at:=0A= http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html=0A= and select "Join or leave the list"=0A= =0A= Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/=0A= =0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface = at:=0A= http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html=0A= and select "Join or leave the list"=0A= =0A= Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/=0A= To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/ateg.html and select "Join or leave the list" Visit ATEG's web site at http://ateg.org/