Visit http://emporium.turnpike.net/~pflaump This is on the first.htm page Peter's comments: I think human ecology "follows the patterns of nature" the same way physical planning should. Cooperation is natural, in the grove of social-biology. The ideas of "Design with nature", go with the flow, grounded, centered, adjusted, fit-in, feel comfortable, be at home, live like a "native", et al - it all means being in touch with our selves and our nature. The Sufi is from clay (material) to plants, (vegetable) to animal to human. The brain is built with a lot of distractions - needs, wants, fears, hopes, and limited ability to understand "the real".. but we feel what we "think" is real is OK for most of our needs. It may get us by - even well off depending on what we mean by success - but it is not "real" and can get us into a lot of trouble when we mix the map and the territory - when we think the "idea" is the object. Sometimes the map is to the wrong place and we begin to worry that we are lost - Rapid change means that mental maps do not fit the territory and we are lost. There are guides that help because of our "human nature", the way our body-mind is built, old ideas of reality can help us. The ancients understood more about evolution, atomic physics, the universe, than they should have.. How did they know ? Because they remembered "we are the stuff of which Stars are made". We have inside us two billion years of internal knowledge. But also a lot of dreams, illusions, false hopes, and we get in our own way. How do you tell what is trash and what is great art, ideas, people, or organizations? It's not all equal - not just relative - not just practical and material. Quality is universal, values are common to all cultures, knowledge can be tested against reality. That is the "science" of knowledge, of psychology, of philosophy, and business, education, politics, life itself. There is a science of living in the way of nature. We all know what it is but don't pay attention. RE: Design With Nature: Social Systems In construction, development and urban planning there has been a "theme" from Lawrence Halperin - to pay attention to the ecology. Rather than just build anything anywhere "because it can be done" - to make every effort to fit into the environment. The use of local materials, attention to climate, winds, sun light, traffic flows, clusters and size, all add to the feeling the new "belongs" and fits into the human scale of Louis Mumford. Sea Ranch in the Monterray Area, the Market Places, are given as examples. When you visit a "nice" community - now with the walls and gates so common among the "better classes", there is an Authoritian design including underground utilities, carefully controlled signs, design control, limits on parking (no RV or boats in driveways). Condos in Florida set rules for blinds, plants, colors, more strict than Old Florence. Yet, the political doctrine in "free markets" and property rights to put anything anywhere. But not in my backyard. Collective controls protects everyone's property values. It's synergy. The current political debate avoids the real issues (what's new) about rational social responsibility and collective synergy. Good planning, education, industrial planning, health care - and there is a collective good; when "special interest" hog the "goodies" the society is harmed. (Ruth Benedict - Abe Maslow paper) Ed Wilson's Socio-biology describes "groves" of natural human behavior. The evolutionary programming of humans involve basic "groups" of five +/- 2, into task forces, work groups, platoons ( two squads ), and a brigade (company) of 60 +/- 20. Long houses or hogans were of this size. All social tasks and organizations work better using the "natural" sizes of human groups because of synergy ( collective benefits of collective action ) - Mancur Olson's rational cooperation. The number of people and their activities that can be tracked at one time is about 7, 5 is better (odd numbers work better than even ). While other arrangements "can be done" they are not a design with nature. From: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, January 29, 1996 3:23 AM To: Peter Pflaum Cc: Peter Pflaum Subject: Re: Design With Nature <P> Your post re: design with nature; taking into account ecology rather than mere ability to do something; use of natural materials, etc.; sounds like Paulo Soleri's "Archology". It is a magnificent idea and we have an experiment in progress here in Arizona called Arcosanti. There are few things as beautiful as the work they are doing there following these principles. Unfortunately, it seems we will have to experience the full negative impact of the old ways before we can see the wisdom in transforming the way we design, build, and live in community. Robert J. 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